Gulf Carriers Internal Competition
11-27-2013 | 08:48 AM
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That is an oft-quoted plan of the Gulf carriers--they're ordering for the US market. OK, how? Where in the US domestic market will they use T7s and A380s? How will they get around US airline ownership law? If by this assertion, you mean 5th freedom rights thru Europe, how will EK or QR gain those rights putting EU carriers at risk? It's as if you all still believe that Asia and Africa lack any markets.
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That is an oft-quoted plan of the Gulf carriers--they're ordering for the US market. OK, how? Where in the US domestic market will they use T7s and A380s? How will they get around US airline ownership law? If by this assertion, you mean 5th freedom rights thru Europe, how will EK or QR gain those rights putting EU carriers at risk? It's as if you all still believe that Asia and Africa lack any markets.
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09-21-2014 | 06:33 PM
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"Emirates Airline, the largest international carrier, is planning an expansion that would make the U.S. market one of its three largest sources of revenue, said Tim Clark, president of the Dubai-based carrier."
Looks like more BIG growth planned by EK for the US market.
Emirates Air Planning Expansion on U.S. Rivals? Home Turf - Bloomberg
Looks like more BIG growth planned by EK for the US market.
Emirates Air Planning Expansion on U.S. Rivals? Home Turf - Bloomberg
02-05-2015 | 08:32 PM
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Looks like the Us Airlines want to modify Air treaties with the Big 3 Gulf carriers alleging unfair subsidies.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-airl...210956813.html
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/u-airl...210956813.html
02-06-2015 | 08:16 PM
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What a load of protectionist nonsense.
They won't get anywhere. It's all about who has the most influence on the Hill. Clearly, it's Boeing, who know that if Emirates don't get the U.S. access it wants, then those aircraft won't be delivered.
It's too little too late, and th fact is that the US carriers, hellbent on reducing capacity over the last decade, sat idly by and watched EK, EY, CX, etc create huge international networks between Asia and the US.
That is the ultimate factor which will cost them hundreds of billions in lost revenue.
Product quality is a separate argument. At this point, there is barely any US product, period!
Play to your strengths. The U.S. legacy strength is a huge, (now) well managed, in-demand domestic network. The numbers speak for themselves.
They won't get anywhere. It's all about who has the most influence on the Hill. Clearly, it's Boeing, who know that if Emirates don't get the U.S. access it wants, then those aircraft won't be delivered.
It's too little too late, and th fact is that the US carriers, hellbent on reducing capacity over the last decade, sat idly by and watched EK, EY, CX, etc create huge international networks between Asia and the US.
That is the ultimate factor which will cost them hundreds of billions in lost revenue.
Product quality is a separate argument. At this point, there is barely any US product, period!
Play to your strengths. The U.S. legacy strength is a huge, (now) well managed, in-demand domestic network. The numbers speak for themselves.
02-11-2015 | 10:48 PM
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If the US Airlines REALLY want to put a dent in the phenomenal growth of the Gulf Carriers, all they need to do is hire all the FO's who are here at places like Emirates, Etihad and Qatar!!
We are having a hard time getting "qualified" pilots although the quantity is there.
Also, for some reason, the FO's here seem to have a hard time getting a call for an interview.
Hiring all the FO's (who meet standards) would bring the Gulf carriers to their knees. US pilots are either the first or second largest contingent in all 3 airlines here.
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We are having a hard time getting "qualified" pilots although the quantity is there.
Also, for some reason, the FO's here seem to have a hard time getting a call for an interview.
Hiring all the FO's (who meet standards) would bring the Gulf carriers to their knees. US pilots are either the first or second largest contingent in all 3 airlines here.
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02-12-2015 | 03:57 AM
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If the US Airlines REALLY want to put a dent in the phenomenal growth of the Gulf Carriers, all they need to do is hire all the FO's who are here at places like Emirates, Etihad and Qatar!!
We are having a hard time getting "qualified" pilots although the quantity is there.
Also, for some reason, the FO's here seem to have a hard time getting a call for an interview.
Hiring all the FO's (who meet standards) would bring the Gulf carriers to their knees. US pilots are either the first or second largest contingent in all 3 airlines here.
K
We are having a hard time getting "qualified" pilots although the quantity is there.
Also, for some reason, the FO's here seem to have a hard time getting a call for an interview.
Hiring all the FO's (who meet standards) would bring the Gulf carriers to their knees. US pilots are either the first or second largest contingent in all 3 airlines here.
K
I was just talking to someone in DAL's union about this topic yesterday. It might be an idea that will start to gain traction since he fully understood and agreed with that thought. I actually said captains too though because a lot I know want to come back to the USA as well.
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02-18-2015 | 06:01 PM
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War of Words begins between US and Gulf carriers.
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/war-of-...384267332.html
https://www.yahoo.com/travel/war-of-...384267332.html
03-06-2015 | 12:02 PM
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More rhetoric from United concerning the subsidies Gulf Carriers are receiving.
The U.S. airlines say their Gulf rivals lose billions of dollars a year and aren’t required to turn a profit, funding their amenities with financial aid from their home governments. “We’re not competing against air carriers,” Mark Anderson, a senior vice president at United, said on Thursday. “We’re competing against government—we’re competing against government treasuries.”
U.S. Airlines Step Up Dogfight With Gulf Carriers - Bloomberg Business
The U.S. airlines say their Gulf rivals lose billions of dollars a year and aren’t required to turn a profit, funding their amenities with financial aid from their home governments. “We’re not competing against air carriers,” Mark Anderson, a senior vice president at United, said on Thursday. “We’re competing against government—we’re competing against government treasuries.”
U.S. Airlines Step Up Dogfight With Gulf Carriers - Bloomberg Business
03-06-2015 | 12:16 PM
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Its definately time to limit them to true "fair skies" and only allow the number of daily flights/seats per day that US airlines fly to their "country". Also refuse to allow them to sneak in to EU agreements by buying those routes. Bye bye Milan route. And since they are using US tax code as a direct recruiting tool and weapon against our industry and workers, take that away as well (state and federal). And fill classes with nothing but their pilots for a few months. That should make things interesting.
03-06-2015 | 06:37 PM
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Canada and France already denied Emirates request to increase service to Paris and Toronto (or Montreal, I can't remember). It was in the news the last couple of years.
We are going through some "interesting" times. I think the big danger is that NAI's flag of convenience scheme gets validated. Everyone will rush to that model.
The only good thing is that they can't train a bunch of 3rd world pilots overnight to replace us. It will be us that they hire. What happened to the shipping industry won't necessarily happen to our jobs.
You can train a deck hand in two weeks. Us, not so much.
There is nothing that we can do about it but sit back and watch.
We are going through some "interesting" times. I think the big danger is that NAI's flag of convenience scheme gets validated. Everyone will rush to that model.
The only good thing is that they can't train a bunch of 3rd world pilots overnight to replace us. It will be us that they hire. What happened to the shipping industry won't necessarily happen to our jobs.
You can train a deck hand in two weeks. Us, not so much.
There is nothing that we can do about it but sit back and watch.
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