Whatever your feelings on PFT are, it seems that at least a dozen Chinese airlines represented by Wasinc are going to be in Las Vegas and Miami next month with plans to interview on the spot. At least one of the operators on the business jet side is looking for younger folks with nothing more than an ATP and 500 hours ME jet. No type rating there. Pan Am decided to sweeten the deal by offering three free type ratings as door prizes, which is something trainers used to do when Southwest was running a few of these get-togethers a year.

Frankly, we could do with more of these job fairs / open houses, if you ask me. Middle Eastern and East Asian carriers show up in Europe and Oz all the time looking to pick up more pilots, and opportunities here aren't exactly quick in coming. And if I might make a sweeping generalization, pilots in the States aren't always as hooked into the expat hiring pipeline as some of our ICAO brethren. Face time can make all the difference. As many of these online doofers as I've filled out over the years, nobody's ever called me for an interview unless I looked someone in HR in the eye and shook their hand first.

Here's the link, if anyone else was looking.

 

I am hearing now from the replys that these aren't pay for training. If these jobs aren't pay for training, then why are that at Pan Am? Pan Am sells type ratings!!

 

??? Do you have any idea what you're talking about? What was the point of your thread?

 

Hesitant, You need to chill out. First of all, there is no pay for training. The interviews and sim checks are being conducted on Pan Am facilities. Those 12 airlines are paying Pan Am for the use of the sims. Why? because the sims are back up in China for months. Guys in my Chinese company had to wait from 1 to 3 months to do their sim phase in training. Too many guys trying to go through the small number of sims that are being used by all of the chinese airlines. IT's crazy.

Second, having the interview in the US is way better. WHen you interview for a Chinese airiine you need to understand it will take no less than 4 days and can run up to 8 days long. Mine took 5. And you still have to get to China and back, so that's a huge chunk of time that you have to take to go interview. So this is fantastic to have an interview/sim check on the spot in one day, max two. Very little disruption to your flying schedule and days off with family.

Additionally, there is some other financial incentives since WasInc is handling all the resumes to submit to all of these companies. They make a killing in profits on each pilot they recruit, so they don't have a problem offering some financial help to Pan Am as well.

So there is no conspiracy here. I'm going on one day to meet with one Chinese Airline to see if i get the job offer on the spot. That'll save me a ton of time and money. So please stop.

 

The majority of these jobs in China (if not all of them) are NOT pay for training schemes, some of them you will be required to get a bond to guarantee that you will stay for the duration of your employment term, I don't know how much clearer it can be than that. Those airlines are not looking for any funding with training, they are looking for pilots to crew their airplanes while offering contract packages of 17 to 20 K per month.

 

Quote: they are looking for pilots to crew their airplanes while offering contract packages of 17 to 20 K per month.

Funny how a country that pays many assembly workers 70 cents an hour can pay 17 to 20 K per month for a B737NG or A320 Captain. A long haul pax B747 or B777 can represent $1,000,000.00 of revenue per flight.

What's going on? Seems like U.S. pilots are subsidizing the carriers they fly for.

 

Airbus, I agree with the idea that pilots are subsidizing the US airline they fly for. We should all stop doing that.

 

I see what you are saying. Will the pilots all be paid while they are in training? Don't forget what happened to JAL pilots from the US. They were all terminated. I don't need to be told to chill out by anyone. I know that there are masny schemes out there that are designed to take advantage of pilots, and I want to caution everyone against these.
This Pan Am job fair may have turned out to be different, and I would still be cautious and read the fine print. Will there be bonds etc?

 

Glad you're calmed down a bit, Hesitant, but I'd remind you that
1. The JAL layoffs were an action by a terribly sick company on the verge of liquidation, extending to almost half of their domestic workforce as well, and
2. Japan != China.

 

All the jobs available in the China market will pay during the training period, depends on what company it is some will pay you the entire salary but some do offer a reduced salary, you need to ask those specific details to the company you are targeting, same situation with the requirement of a training bond, some will ask for it and some won't.

JAL went into bankruptcy, It is the same thing when airlines go into bankruptcy here or anywhere really, there will be layoffs and the first ones to go are always the foreign workforce, if you cannot stomach that little fact of life then contract work is not for you. All those guys found employment quickly after they left JAL, all had a lot of experience and were picked up by other companies.