Working as a Pilot in China
08-20-2015 | 12:06 AM
#81
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Sitting in the cockpit, in ORD, La Garbage, or Heathrow, pull out your smartphone and record 30 seconds of video. That video will show hundreds of people, ground support equipment, safety equipment. It is seemingly strewn everywhere. Some moving randomly, some probably hasn't moved in 8 years. They are like garbage dumps.
The Hold Short line has a lineup of 15 jets, all burning gas.
So its better to sit there in BJ, SH, or HZ delayed EVERY single day for 2-6 hours? Its better to takeoff from 36R in BJ only to go into holding 10 mins after takeoff? Or how about step climb and descend 20 times for a 2 hour flight wasting fuel and constant throttle movements because of all these changes.
Or lets descend at 3000FPM 200 miles from the airport for traffic thats 100 kilometers away SAME direction. Yea, efficiency at its finest....
Go to the vast majority of Chinese airports. There are aircraft on the ramp. If the aircraft is going somewhere soon, there are 3 or 4 baggage handlers loading bags, and then they completely disappear. Including ALL of their equipment. The fueler fuels, and completely disappears. There is probably only 1 tug in use (supertug), for the whole airport. 2 if there are 2 runways.
The ramp is quiet, sedate, and nearly empty. It is almost like the airport is closed.
OMG, quiet? Pls show me one place that is quiet in China except UNDERWATER!!!
One tug can push back enough aircraft fast enough to feed one runway. If you work for a Chinese airline, once you push back, you will not come to a stop until you lineup on the runway, 75% of the time.
Your right, you will just have 90 degree offcourse diversions, orbits, and the worst vectoring ever...
All of this is done with the smallest number of ground staff you have ever seen at an airport.
Yes who totally block the plane when your trying to come out. ALA CHINESE FIRE DRILL
It was, by far, the leanest, smoothest, most reliable operation I have ever been involved with in aviation. I have never seen anything like it, before, or since. UAL, and US airports are 3rd world by comparison.
What planet are you on man? Words like smoothest, reliable do NOT belong in CHINESE AVIATION. How about INEFFICIENCY, EXPEDITE, NEGATIVE, OFFSET, MAKE ORBIT, TIME NOT DETERMINED, FLOW CONTROL, yea thats more like the China i know.
US Airports are 3rd world? Really? Next time you are at Shenzhen on taxiway C1 for RWY 15 please tell me who had the retarded idea of putting the amber lights BEHIND the HOLD SHORT LINE....creating an easy mistake if you do not happen to see the line and EXPECT it to be where the lights are when they are actually after the line!!!!
But they run an aviation system to the highest level I have ever seen, at least in some ways.
Sitting in the cockpit, in ORD, La Garbage, or Heathrow, pull out your smartphone and record 30 seconds of video. That video will show hundreds of people, ground support equipment, safety equipment. It is seemingly strewn everywhere. Some moving randomly, some probably hasn't moved in 8 years. They are like garbage dumps.
The Hold Short line has a lineup of 15 jets, all burning gas.
So its better to sit there in BJ, SH, or HZ delayed EVERY single day for 2-6 hours? Its better to takeoff from 36R in BJ only to go into holding 10 mins after takeoff? Or how about step climb and descend 20 times for a 2 hour flight wasting fuel and constant throttle movements because of all these changes.
Or lets descend at 3000FPM 200 miles from the airport for traffic thats 100 kilometers away SAME direction. Yea, efficiency at its finest....
Go to the vast majority of Chinese airports. There are aircraft on the ramp. If the aircraft is going somewhere soon, there are 3 or 4 baggage handlers loading bags, and then they completely disappear. Including ALL of their equipment. The fueler fuels, and completely disappears. There is probably only 1 tug in use (supertug), for the whole airport. 2 if there are 2 runways.
The ramp is quiet, sedate, and nearly empty. It is almost like the airport is closed.
OMG, quiet? Pls show me one place that is quiet in China except UNDERWATER!!!
One tug can push back enough aircraft fast enough to feed one runway. If you work for a Chinese airline, once you push back, you will not come to a stop until you lineup on the runway, 75% of the time.
Your right, you will just have 90 degree offcourse diversions, orbits, and the worst vectoring ever...
All of this is done with the smallest number of ground staff you have ever seen at an airport.
Yes who totally block the plane when your trying to come out. ALA CHINESE FIRE DRILL
It was, by far, the leanest, smoothest, most reliable operation I have ever been involved with in aviation. I have never seen anything like it, before, or since. UAL, and US airports are 3rd world by comparison.
What planet are you on man? Words like smoothest, reliable do NOT belong in CHINESE AVIATION. How about INEFFICIENCY, EXPEDITE, NEGATIVE, OFFSET, MAKE ORBIT, TIME NOT DETERMINED, FLOW CONTROL, yea thats more like the China i know.
US Airports are 3rd world? Really? Next time you are at Shenzhen on taxiway C1 for RWY 15 please tell me who had the retarded idea of putting the amber lights BEHIND the HOLD SHORT LINE....creating an easy mistake if you do not happen to see the line and EXPECT it to be where the lights are when they are actually after the line!!!!
But they run an aviation system to the highest level I have ever seen, at least in some ways.
Honestly Airspeed, the more you write, the more I question the authenticity of your background.
Horrific ATC delays are common in N America and Europe. While I had more 5 - 20 minute delays in China, I had LESS 2-8 hour delays. Far less.
08-20-2015 | 02:54 AM
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Honestly Airspeed, the more you write, the more I question the authenticity of your background.
Horrific ATC delays are common in N America and Europe. While I had more 5 - 20 minute delays in China, I had LESS 2-8 hour delays. Far less.[/QUOTE]
My background? Go ahead. I speak the truth. Not sure what China your flying it but, FACT SHANGHAI, BEIJING, and HANGZHOU have a 33 PERCENT ON TIME RATE AND ARE THE WORLDS MOST DELAYED AIRPORTS.
There is absolutely ZERO comparison between here and the USA or anywhere else except Africa or India.
Its amazing you question my background. I have been an expat over 10 years, China for the last 5. Not once, not once in the entire time did i EVER hear another Expat say that the grass is greener here then back home except if they came from some mudhut in the barrio of Rio.
Are you sure your not a recruiter????
Honestly Airspeed, the more you write, the more I question the authenticity of your background.
Horrific ATC delays are common in N America and Europe. While I had more 5 - 20 minute delays in China, I had LESS 2-8 hour delays. Far less.[/QUOTE]
My background? Go ahead. I speak the truth. Not sure what China your flying it but, FACT SHANGHAI, BEIJING, and HANGZHOU have a 33 PERCENT ON TIME RATE AND ARE THE WORLDS MOST DELAYED AIRPORTS.
There is absolutely ZERO comparison between here and the USA or anywhere else except Africa or India.
Its amazing you question my background. I have been an expat over 10 years, China for the last 5. Not once, not once in the entire time did i EVER hear another Expat say that the grass is greener here then back home except if they came from some mudhut in the barrio of Rio.
Are you sure your not a recruiter????
08-20-2015 | 05:14 AM
#84
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I knew it was only a matter of time before mr legend in his own mind who couldn't fly his way out of a paper bag came to join the discussion. Aren't you supposed to be back in hello kitty land playing Mr subservient?
08-20-2015 | 07:03 AM
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One tug works for a runway because most airports in China have only about 10 gates and Chinese ATC requires very wide spacing between departures. Also, go to PEK, PVG, CAN and some of the bigger airports and you will see far more pushback tugs than one per runway, and far more ground crew as well.
It certainly did not look first world a few weeks ago when I sat short of 36R for 2 hours and 3 minutes (with both engines running because the Chinese are so freaking paranoid). It did not look like a first world airport a few weeks before that when I sat at the gate, passengers on board, jetway pulled back, for 4 hours and 19 minutes because they changed our departure time due to military activity. And nothing about terminal 2 looks the least bit first world. Having been based in ORD, and having operated out of LGA frequently for a USAirways Express carrier, I would take those two a hundred times before I would take PEK.
08-20-2015 | 09:32 AM
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MILITARY ACTIVITY ahhh the prelude to a 16 hour duty day. Last week lets see. SZ-PVG-SZ delayed 4 hours due to RESTRICTION, then next day SZ-HZ-SZ 6 hours due to some raindrops!!!!
The level of irony and inefficiency here is truly mind boggling. And how Probe or Domingo can say otherwise now makes me think they are propaganda tools for one of these agencies.
08-20-2015 | 09:45 AM
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The quote stuff is getting messed up. I am being quoted in stuff I did not say, and the same thing is happening with other posts. I did not say the following:
"Trust me, got to ORD, LGA, or Heathrow. Beijing looks like the first world airport."
"Trust me, got to ORD, LGA, or Heathrow. Beijing looks like the first world airport."
08-20-2015 | 09:54 PM
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I was threatened with suspension once last year if I refused to accept their defining the flight deck as a sleeping area. I stood my ground and they backed down, but I did get accosted by the replacement pilot who was called off of reserve. Recently the company has not been backing down though and guys have been fined and/or suspended for refusing to fly.
08-21-2015 | 05:16 AM
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Not always , actually 90 percent of the time not a trainee in the jumpseat either. Why do you talk such BS?
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