Natca

I said the same thing.

atpcliff

It's not a net loss...there are new hires every month.

The guys on pprune said the official loss rate is 4% a month, and that's because anyone over 50 is NOT officially leaving...they are retired and don't countin the official loss rate. Pprune guys says the actual loss rate is 11-14% a month. I don't know how many new joiners per month, so I don't know the net loss per month.

Whip Whitaker

Sorry Cliff but I actually work at EK and can actually look at our seniority list. We are not losing anywhere close to 4% a month. That would be 140 pilots leaving each month. 11% a month equals 385 pilots leaving each month. But I guess if its on PPrune it must be true.

PILOTGUY

Then look a little harder. There are ghost pilots on the list still that quit over 6 months ago. The seniority list is worthless.
I have heard from a reliable source that is almost touching 5% at one point in recent months.

Sliceback

Wouldn't the proof in the pudding be to post the initials, DOH's, seniority number, and last month flown by the 'ghost' pilots?

If it's dozens, or hundreds, of 'ghost' pilots it should be pretty easy to get supporting data.

Whip Whitaker

Pilotguy, with all due respect this isnt Rocket Science. If 5% of the pilots were leaving MONTHLY, that would be roughly 190 pilots gone each month. About 2300 pilots a YEAR. Do you really believe that many are leaving? I can see a 5 or 10% YEARLY rate however.

NEDude

Clearly the attrition rate cannot be a consistent 5-10% each month. That is simply not sustainable and Emirates would be cancelling several flights per day/week/month if attrition were that high each month.

The real proof of their pilot situation is just like at other airlines around the world. When they are truly hurting for pilots they initially require more block hours from pilots on staff and increase recruitment activities. If that is insufficient they will then reduce required qualifications. Lastly they will begin to improve pay/benefits and working conditions. What has Emirates been doing in this list? From what I can read here and in other places is that they are requiring more block hours from pilots (and reducing or eliminating vacations) and they are stepping up recruitment activities. So clearly they are feeling the pinch at some level. They may have even begun to reduce required qualifications. But clearly they are not at the point where they are desperate enough to improve pay/benefits and working conditions.

Emirates does have a great product for its passengers and has clearly become a global force in air transportation. But for most of us Dubai is a LONG way from home and if you are a westerner, it is surrounded by a lot of not so friendly places. When those factors are combined with the 800 pound gorilla located northeast east of Dubai, China, that is offering ungodly amounts of money, commuting contracts and the ability to remain in the left seat, or in some cases a very quick upgrade for experienced FOs, Emirates has lost a lot of its lustre. In all honesty I hate China. But I make significantly more than I would at Emirates, and I have a commuting contract that allows me to still maintain my residence in the country of my choice, and I get six months vacation annually. In many ways I would be attracted to Emirates, but until they can come close to what I currently have, they are out of luck.

fatbus

Most pilots have been doing full blocks for awhile now. 777 seems to be gaining the undesirable flights while the 380 takes the better ones. 330 mostly crap flights but all 330/340 retired in the next 18 months . Of course there will be those that say the 330 wil never leave. 330 pilots rumoured to being transferred to 380 in October after being told next year. The overall pilot numbers has not increased fir some time. Indicating @ 10% attrition over the past 12/18 months but don't quote me on that. Next year brings a lot of new aircraft but don't know about retirements. Depending on what you read 30 to 50 fleet increase over the next 9 years 250 up to 300. Even some of the early 380 are planned to be retired by then. The orders sound impressive but are mainly replacements.

AsianSensastion

I read recently that Emirates cannot grow more than 260-300 planes until the new airport at Al-Maktoum opens fully. Then i heard it can grow to 450+. That is if Airbus keeps making the A380 and if Emirates will keep and get more pilots.

flyby30

Since the IRS came up with this FATCA (foreign account tax compliant act) in March 2010 and FBAR (foreign bank account report) this is specifically for US nationals working abroad, now they are on hunt for those that have not properly filed and/or disclose bank accounts correctly. There is a credit of $99300 per year tax free then after is taxed at......I believe 30% up to 39.5 % if u cross 250k a year (i think)
Dubai has no double tax agreement with US so u pay uncle sam in full.
I hear Dubai is a tax free country but there are some services that are taxed at 10% and the latest is they are exploring ways to tax more.....so be careful when u accept work overseas.....