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Old 10-23-2015 | 11:55 PM
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Originally Posted by The Dominican
Many companies will not accept PIC time unless you are the PIC assigned to the flight under the regulatory operations permit.
This is true. Many companies would not accept this logged PIC time, but it is legal. Companies are interested in when you were acting as PIC, not logging PIC.
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Old 10-27-2015 | 08:08 AM
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If ANY foreign carriers will hire you as a DEC using your FO time while type-rated to satisfy their PIC in-type requirement I'd like to see the list.
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Old 10-27-2015 | 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Senior Skipper




DCA, §61.51(e)(i) disagrees with you



I am well aware of that regulation, go into an interview using it, let me know how it turns out.
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Old 10-27-2015 | 05:52 PM
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Originally Posted by DCA A321 FO
I am well aware of that regulation, go into an interview using it, let me know how it turns out.
I know a guy that tried it with UAL back a while.
His interview lasted 10 mins, if it was that long, before he was shown the door.


However,
I have heard of a few foreign companies accepting it.
I do know a limey that got on at EK using PIC/US as his only PIC. I don't remember what their hiring requirements were back when he was hired but I believe they did require PIC.
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Old 10-28-2015 | 07:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude

However,
I have heard of a few foreign companies accepting it.
I do know a limey that got on at EK using PIC/US as his only PIC. I don't remember what their hiring requirements were back when he was hired but I believe they did require PIC.
Way back when I was applying to EK, at least ten years ago, they required actual PIC time, that could have changed.
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Old 10-28-2015 | 02:58 PM
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Exclamation Fake captain time!

Originally Posted by Kritchlow
If you're typed, and sole manipulator, you can log pic regardless what you are acting as on the mission.
Wow, if that's not misleading I don't know what is? Why don't you log pic time whenever the captain goes back to take a leak? Just make him/her drink copious amounts of water and before you know it you'll be eligible to fly the space shuttle.

Eventually things like this tend to catch up with people... Just because it's not illegal doesn't make it right...

There can only be one captain!

If you didn't sign the logbook - you are NOT the captain!

Period.
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Old 10-28-2015 | 06:41 PM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
Wow, if that's not misleading I don't know what is? Why don't you log pic time whenever the captain goes back to take a leak? Just make him/her drink copious amounts of water and before you know it you'll be eligible to fly the space shuttle.

Eventually things like this tend to catch up with people... Just because it's not illegal doesn't make it right...

There can only be one captain!

If you didn't sign the logbook - you are NOT the captain!

Period.
Say what you want but it's true. Perhaps you should study a few regs.
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Old 10-28-2015 | 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Kritchlow
Say what you want but it's true. Perhaps you should study a few regs.
I know the regs fairly well; maybe you struggle with reading comprehension? Never said it was against the law. I'm pretty sure I said "..just because it's not illegal.."

I have volunteered for recruiting events (job fairs, interviews, etc.) at several airlines and I know that recruiters study candidates' decision making skills and they want to review decisions made by pilots who're actually in charge of the flight, in other words those who signed their names in the aircraft logbook.

You can use your tutti-fruity pic time all you want but it's not true pilot-in-command time. Sometimes it works and sometimes HR personnel catches this pseudo-legal and yet very creative flight time boosting technique.

Like I said, offer the captain as much water as you can and make sure to log it as pi$$-IC flight time..
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Old 10-28-2015 | 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by whalesurfer
I know the regs fairly well; maybe you struggle with reading comprehension? Never said it was against the law. I'm pretty sure I said "..just because it's not illegal.."

I have volunteered for recruiting events (job fairs, interviews, etc.) at several airlines and I know that recruiters study candidates' decision making skills and they want to review decisions made by pilots who're actually in charge of the flight, in other words those who signed their names in the aircraft logbook.

You can use your tutti-fruity pic time all you want but it's not true pilot-in-command time. Sometimes it works and sometimes HR personnel catches this pseudo-legal and yet very creative flight time boosting technique.

Like I said, offer the captain as much water as you can and make sure to log it as pi$$-IC flight time..
I'm not appying for anything.. I have no dog in this fight. I'm simply pointing out you can legitimately log pic time here. If an emoloyer, and I've seen many, say "acting pic" or similar than simply don't add that time. If they don't specify, than either they don't care or they don't know the rules very well.
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Old 11-02-2015 | 03:45 AM
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Originally Posted by Thedude
I know a guy that tried it with UAL back a while. No You don't
His interview lasted 10 mins, if it was that long, before he was shown the door. No it didn't

What was his name?
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