Current Job vs Flex jet vs XO Jet vs Netjets
10-29-2018, 12:06 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
They will never make enough money to compare to a major.
The selling point is getting to live in BFE (I guess).
The selling point is getting to live in BFE (I guess).
10-29-2018, 12:25 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by OhSnapAF
So happiness is flying to random airports?
I’ll give you some advice. Once the allure of not knowing where you are going wears off, you will just look at your paycheck and days off like everyone else in this industry, and if you are at a place like NJA instead of an airline, you will become depressed. Take it from somebody who lived it. My whole career was 91/135 before I went to a major and I will never go back, ever. I’ll go practice as a sommelier if crap hits the fan economically. Right now from a financial standpoint I am saving/investing to retire at 60 and be financially set up. Whether that happens or not, I can tell you I won’t be one of the guys at 65 knocking on NetJets door begging for more cash to go fly to random airports.
This is a job now, you can very much enjoy an airline job. A regional is no more a career destination than a place like NetJets or XO. They are very similar in many ways except NetJets is more set up for people to spend long term there.
Sit down and do the math, numbers don’t lie. Historically on APC there have been several NetJets pilots they try and sell their own position (15+ year captain they extends several days a month) to make it seem like anyone can go there and expect a buttload of money right off the bat and it’s simoly not true. The math on career earnings even over a 20 year period, are actually laughable even compared to places like Spirit and Allegiant. If you can make it to a career airline, you are talking million of dollars more in total earnings than the top fractional. Forget XO and WU etc, even when you look at more cereer focused companies like NetJets, the money you leave on the table just so you can say you got to fly into Toothlessville Arkansas in a private jet is pretty stupid. This is a job for you, not a hobby correct? Go travel with all the time off you have once you work at an airline, and your mortgage company doesn’t take payment in the form of all the cool little airports you flew into...
Oh and I’ll add, I’m the happiest I’ve ever been career wise and it’s not just the money, it’s the lack of stress during work. NJA is an emotional and physical rollercoaster that cuts to your core after a while. The job beats you down to the point in which I don’t know how people plan on doing it for 40 years.
I’ll give you some advice. Once the allure of not knowing where you are going wears off, you will just look at your paycheck and days off like everyone else in this industry, and if you are at a place like NJA instead of an airline, you will become depressed. Take it from somebody who lived it. My whole career was 91/135 before I went to a major and I will never go back, ever. I’ll go practice as a sommelier if crap hits the fan economically. Right now from a financial standpoint I am saving/investing to retire at 60 and be financially set up. Whether that happens or not, I can tell you I won’t be one of the guys at 65 knocking on NetJets door begging for more cash to go fly to random airports.
This is a job now, you can very much enjoy an airline job. A regional is no more a career destination than a place like NetJets or XO. They are very similar in many ways except NetJets is more set up for people to spend long term there.
Sit down and do the math, numbers don’t lie. Historically on APC there have been several NetJets pilots they try and sell their own position (15+ year captain they extends several days a month) to make it seem like anyone can go there and expect a buttload of money right off the bat and it’s simoly not true. The math on career earnings even over a 20 year period, are actually laughable even compared to places like Spirit and Allegiant. If you can make it to a career airline, you are talking million of dollars more in total earnings than the top fractional. Forget XO and WU etc, even when you look at more cereer focused companies like NetJets, the money you leave on the table just so you can say you got to fly into Toothlessville Arkansas in a private jet is pretty stupid. This is a job for you, not a hobby correct? Go travel with all the time off you have once you work at an airline, and your mortgage company doesn’t take payment in the form of all the cool little airports you flew into...
Oh and I’ll add, I’m the happiest I’ve ever been career wise and it’s not just the money, it’s the lack of stress during work. NJA is an emotional and physical rollercoaster that cuts to your core after a while. The job beats you down to the point in which I don’t know how people plan on doing it for 40 years.
They were good places to hang out for the lost decade, but I can’t name a single person who’s left that world for the majors that is pining to go back.
10-29-2018, 12:33 PM
#23
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I’ll never forget my first 121 walk around after 15 years of 91/135. There were a dozen people doing everything I used to do on my own, generally. Just that in and of itself makes the switch to 121 worth it at least for me.
To each their own and all but I won’t miss getting yelled at by the PAX because I went to RIL instead of ASE. Even though I still managed to coordinate ground transportation that was waiting plane side.
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To each their own and all but I won’t miss getting yelled at by the PAX because I went to RIL instead of ASE. Even though I still managed to coordinate ground transportation that was waiting plane side.
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10-29-2018, 02:00 PM
#24
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Originally Posted by NewGuy01
I’ll never forget my first 121 walk around after 15 years of 91/135. There were a dozen people doing everything I used to do on my own, generally. Just that in and of itself makes the switch to 121 worth it at least for me.
To each their own and all but I won’t miss getting yelled at by the PAX because I went to RIL instead of ASE. Even though I still managed to coordinate ground transportation that was waiting plane side.
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To each their own and all but I won’t miss getting yelled at by the PAX because I went to RIL instead of ASE. Even though I still managed to coordinate ground transportation that was waiting plane side.
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10-29-2018, 04:05 PM
#25
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Originally Posted by tm602
Well they can sure as hell improve the long days and short nights.
10-29-2018, 05:52 PM
#26
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If you really want to stay in the 91/135 world, I'd go with NetJets for the simple reason that they have a defined set of work rules and pay with a Collective Bargaining Agreement. They are the only one with a Union which may not mean anything to you if you've never had one but it is like having an insurance policy. If something goes wrong, they've got your back. Also, you aren't on call. When you are off- you are off and not required to be contactable.
10-30-2018, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Packrat
Unions don't always have your back.
They’re imperfect, necessary evils in aviation, but they’re very nice to have when you need them, and if you need one and don’t have one then it’s too late to get one.
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