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03-01-2019, 04:37 AM
#771
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Bizjet Captain
Posts: 251
Originally Posted by Marko
6/3/6/3/6/3-5 is not uncommon on the 72/76 day schedules. I think approximately half of the pilots are on 7&7.
Basically pretty much everyone that wants it is entitled to 7/7, correct?
The 72 day schedule is 18 days a month which comes out to sightly better than 6/4 on average according to my maths.
The 76 day schedule would allow 6/3 more frequently, but not continuously. Who would want to work that much, though? Is it popular?
03-01-2019, 04:45 AM
#772
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Posts: 216
Originally Posted by germanaviator
Interesting. I thought more were on 7/7. I understand 10% are on CC52 but didn't think that many wanted to work more than 7/7.
Basically pretty much everyone that wants it is entitled to 7/7, correct?
The 72 day schedule is 18 days a month which comes out to sightly better than 6/4 on average according to my maths.
The 76 day schedule would allow 6/3 more frequently, but not continuously. Who would want to work that much, though? Is it popular?
Basically pretty much everyone that wants it is entitled to 7/7, correct?
The 72 day schedule is 18 days a month which comes out to sightly better than 6/4 on average according to my maths.
The 76 day schedule would allow 6/3 more frequently, but not continuously. Who would want to work that much, though? Is it popular?
Unless you are transitioning from the training schedule, you'd have the opportunity to be on a 7&7. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but it is generally available. What hurts for 7&7 pilots is displacements that occur in close proximity. Some folks have been to 3 type rating courses in less than 2 years. Aside from the long stays in training, it derails the predictability of the 7&7.
03-01-2019, 04:51 AM
#773
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Mar 2011
Position: Bizjet Captain
Posts: 251
Originally Posted by Marko
When you add in vacation periods and training, the remaining schedule days often compress into 6/3 regularly. Of course, the 76 has a higher incidence of this happening. Also, with the ability of the company to add 2-3 days into a month, you may be scheduled for 20-21 days in a 30 day month on the 72. That's 6/3/6/3/6/3/6...leading into the next month. Or, possibly 6/3/6/3/7 (training)/4/6....going into the next month. Doesn't happen all the time, but it happens.
Unless you are transitioning from the training schedule, you'd have the opportunity to be on a 7&7. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but it is generally available. What hurts for 7&7 pilots is displacements that occur in close proximity. Some folks have been to 3 type rating courses in less than 2 years. Aside from the long stays in training, it derails the predictability of the 7&7.
Unless you are transitioning from the training schedule, you'd have the opportunity to be on a 7&7. I'm sure there are some exceptions, but it is generally available. What hurts for 7&7 pilots is displacements that occur in close proximity. Some folks have been to 3 type rating courses in less than 2 years. Aside from the long stays in training, it derails the predictability of the 7&7.
03-04-2019, 10:37 AM
#775
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Just a pilot
Posts: 745
Originally Posted by germanaviator
Yeah, but remember that we typically do those 60 hours in only six days followed by only 5 days off. We do almost three tours a month, not two. So montly duty should be similar for us, even if you guys can work longer days/need less minimum rest. I know that doesn't exactly help your your QOL on the road, though
03-04-2019, 03:41 PM
#776
Speed, Power, Accuracy
Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,702
Originally Posted by tm602
That's still better than a CC60 guy who will do 60 hours on a 5 day tour and have 3 off.
03-04-2019, 06:22 PM
#777
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Joined APC: Dec 2014
Position: Just a pilot
Posts: 745
Originally Posted by GeeWizDriver
83 hours of duty last 7 day tour. I am at 63 hours of duty and just finished Day 5 of this tour. And that includes an 8 hour day when the jet broke.
03-07-2019, 09:16 PM
#780
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Joined APC: Sep 2007
Position: PIC
Posts: 1,702
Originally Posted by NJA04
I find this funny coming from a G guy. The large cabin fleets get special treatment.
In the immortal words of Inspector Clouseau: “Not anymore...”
Ever since the contract was signed, I’ve had my heinie kicked. We can recover ANYTHING. As the fleet becomes less encumbered, it will only get worse.
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