Originally Posted by dera
(Post 2825387)
PIC has operational control?
You want to lock that answer? Anything else? |
Originally Posted by Das Auto
(Post 2825392)
Absolutely. The director of operations, a designee of the D.O. and the pilot in command has operational control. i.e. the authority to initiate, conduct, and / or terminate a flight.
Anything else? At least in my organization, the PIC has certain responsibilities but those don't fall under the actual definition of 'operational control'. In my particular FOM, PIC is not mentioned in any part of the FOM dealing with operational control except in one sentence that eludes to what I said above. No where in OpsSpec A008 which lays out operational control is the PIC mentioned. IMO, you are confusing PIC responsibilities with actual operational control. |
CFI as PIC??
I'm relatively new here, and this is a great discussion about PIC time. Understanding the differences of sole manipulator vs aircraft commander, how do most companies (135 / charter, not necessarily 121) view time spent as a CFI? I spent about 4 years in the 121 world as FE and FO, never CAPT (about 20 years ago). I have since been flying as CFI on the side while being a career firefighter to support my family. I'm looking to get back into flying full time soon and would appreciate all of your thoughts on this. TIA for your input.
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Originally Posted by USMCFLYR
(Post 2825438)
Not sure how your operation works
IMO, you are confusing PIC responsibilities with actual operational control. Our manuals specifically list the PIC as having operational control and we don't have a dispatch, we have flight followers who have been blessed with operational control by the D.O. The question is asked on every 135.293 oral, and as this is a Gama / Wheels Up thread I am specifically referring to our operation. |
Originally Posted by Firefly727
(Post 2825460)
I'm relatively new here, and this is a great discussion about PIC time. Understanding the differences of sole manipulator vs aircraft commander, how do most companies (135 / charter, not necessarily 121) view time spent as a CFI? I spent about 4 years in the 121 world as FE and FO, never CAPT (about 20 years ago). I have since been flying as CFI on the side while being a career firefighter to support my family. I'm looking to get back into flying full time soon and would appreciate all of your thoughts on this. TIA for your input.
Let me ask you this though. During your time as an F.O. or F.E. at your 121 gig, did you ever log that time as PIC? Thought not. |
Never did. Just south of 1500 FE and a little more than 300 SIC. I'm not one to pad my log book with time not actually flown. Any questions about PIC time and I'll be very clear that the majority of it is as a CFI, only about 500-600 actual sole manipulator.
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Originally Posted by Venkman
(Post 2825154)
You might trick their application screening criteria, but I promise you the interview won't go well when you start in with "well technically I logged it PIC because..."
Log what you want. It's your butt out there. Be smart. The Majors have your SSN on file. If you were rejected and your SSN pops up on a subsequent application its auto deleted. Caveat Emptor. |
Originally Posted by Das Auto
(Post 2825471)
CFI time is a whole different animal. per FAR 61.51 you may log the time as PIC because you are acting as a certified flight instructor.
Let me ask you this though. During your time as an F.O. or F.E. at your 121 gig, did you ever log that time as PIC? Thought not. |
Originally Posted by Packrat
(Post 2825539)
Exactly. And, BTW, assuming you made it to the interview and got rejected, forget about reapplying when you have the real PIC time. We have a record of your interview and the fact that you were rejected for lying to us. You get no second chances.
The Majors have your SSN on file. If you were rejected and your SSN pops up on a subsequent application its auto deleted. Caveat Emptor. Some Mainline carriers sold there golden ticket to mainline out in exchange for cheap regional labor. I know one guy that blew his AA interview and thanks to PSA little flow thru. He works at AA. So YOU ARE WRONG! Incase you missed it.. YOU ARE WRONG! |
Do flow through pilots go through the full AA HR process?
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