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Old 05-11-2019, 04:08 AM
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They make people sign a training contract in this day and age? Unbelievable.
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Old 05-11-2019, 06:56 AM
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Yes the Opspec require a SIC so all flight time counts towards the ATP.
But if the flight is Part 91 (re-positioning for instance), then it won't count, right?
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Old 05-11-2019, 08:39 AM
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But if the flight is Part 91 (re-positioning for instance), then it won't count, right?
If they have Op Spec A062 then 91 legs will still be legal loggable time.
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If they have Op Spec A062 then 91 legs will still be legal loggable time.
According to another post, 91 legs can be flown single pilot, so how an SIC be required? (just curious)
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The FAA changed the regulations recently so that if a Company’s OpSpecs require a SIC for 91K or 135 then the SIC can log the time during the 91 legs. So basically the SIC remains a required crewmember for 91 legs and doesn’t revert to being a passenger for those legs.
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Originally Posted by tanker View Post
The FAA changed the regulations recently so that if a Company’s OpSpecs require a SIC for 91K or 135 then the SIC can log the time during the 91 legs. So basically the SIC remains a required crewmember for 91 legs and doesn’t revert to being a passenger for those legs.
So required if he is there, but not required if he’s not? That doesn’t really make any sense.
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Old 05-11-2019, 04:14 PM
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In the case of PlaneSense the OpSpecs requires the SIC at all times, even under Part 91. Prior to the change in the regs it didn't matter what the OpSecs said because the FAA under Part 91 considered the SIC as a passenger not a required crewmember. Now with the change in the Regs as long as the OpsSpecs require a SIC for 91K and 135 then the SIC is also required for 91 and the FAA considers the SIC a required crewmember at all times. Therefore all flight time is loggable.
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Originally Posted by tanker View Post
In the case of PlaneSense the OpSpecs requires the SIC at all times, even under Part 91. Prior to the change in the regs it didn't matter what the OpSecs said because the FAA under Part 91 considered the SIC as a passenger not a required crewmember. Now with the change in the Regs as long as the OpsSpecs require a SIC for 91K and 135 then the SIC is also required for 91 and the FAA considers the SIC a required crewmember at all times. Therefore all flight time is loggable.

Which FAA regulation was changed and exactly which Planesense OpSpec requires an SIC under Part 91?
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Old 05-11-2019, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by tanker View Post
In the case of PlaneSense the OpSpecs requires the SIC at all times, even under Part 91. Prior to the change in the regs it didn't matter what the OpSecs said because the FAA under Part 91 considered the SIC as a passenger not a required crewmember. Now with the change in the Regs as long as the OpsSpecs require a SIC for 91K and 135 then the SIC is also required for 91 and the FAA considers the SIC a required crewmember at all times. Therefore all flight time is loggable.
Thanks for that. That makes sense, I must have misread the PIC-SP for 91 legs.
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So required if he is there, but not required if he’s not? That doesn’t really make any sense.



Here is the Advisory Circular. Basically it allows a 135 air carrier with the proper Opspec (A062) to allow SICs, to log SIC time on 91 legs. They call it the "Second in Command Professional Development Program", or SIC PDP. It does not require an SIC for 91 legs. Planesense does not currently have this Opspec.
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