Citation Shares doesn't sound good, copied post from flightinfo
06-11-2007, 08:26 PM
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Citation Shares doesn't sound good, copied post from flightinfo
The last post is interesting
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Ref05-31-2007 20:39CitationShares
Just wonding if the 750 PIC is a requirement for multi or just total PIC time. I have plenty of multi SIC but most all of my pic time comes from when i was instructing in singles.
Thanks
blueridge7105-31-2007 21:48It doesn't say it has to be ME. I read it as 750 hours of total PIC.
Quote:
REQUIREMENTS
Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
2,000 hours total pilot time
1,500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
750 hours pilot-in-command time
500 hours turbine time
200 hours within the last 12 months
Restricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit
Current Passport
Ref06-01-2007 20:24Yeah I see it the same way, however when you do their online career profile and you plug in your times under the total pic time it shows up as being Total PIC Multi when you hit the submit button. If that makes any sense.
RCA06-03-2007 09:40I was wondering the same thing when I submitted. I just left the number I originally typed. It did not come up in the interview.
BoilerUP06-06-2007 10:47I know its listed on the minimums...but is holding an ATP certificate a hard requirement if you meet all of the other minimums?
Thanks!
RCA06-06-2007 12:25Yes, and if you need one there is a great DPE up in KPQI.
Guitar rocker06-06-2007 16:39Quote:
Originally Posted by RCA (Post 1346310)
Yes, and if you need one there is a great DPE up in KPQI.
Oh yah.........I know who your talking about there.
RCA06-06-2007 19:54Every one should considering he is the only DPE north of Portland.
Thanks for the constuctive post quitar rocker
willNOTfly4free06-07-2007 10:28Is 3-4K TT still the competitive mins for CitationShares? I've met several CS guys on the road, and I've heard nothing but good things about the company.
RCA06-07-2007 20:593-4k sounds about right. Persistence is one of the best ways to be competitive.
blueridge7106-08-2007 20:41With the competition for pilots tightening up, send in your resume even if you are close to minimums.
gunfyter06-08-2007 20:53Quote:
Originally Posted by blueridge71 (Post 1348065)
With the competition for pilots tightening up, .
Why do you feel this is happening?
livethedream06-09-2007 01:18send your resume with someone who works there is the only way to get a job there is what I have heard
"I hear you knocking but you can't come in"
flagshipper06-09-2007 11:43Quote:
Originally Posted by livethedream (Post 1348164)
send your resume with someone who works there is the only way to get a job there is what I have heard
"I hear you knocking but you can't come in"
A year ago that might have been true but I would say 90 percent of the recent hires I talk to had no inside connection. Just an online application
bravodude06-09-2007 21:54stay away! i left after over 4 years and people are jumping ship faster than you can imagine. The people that are leaving have all been there for a while so that should tell youm something. The promise onething but deliver the total opposite. Nobody will tell the truth because everyone is scared. they have no union so its fire at will and they do fire at will.
JettBoii06-10-2007 09:18What? Is that really true? What is it that CS isn't delivering? Elaborate. I am considering employment there. Any truth to this CS guys?
johnsonrod06-10-2007 10:03Quote:
Originally Posted by bravodude (Post 1348574)
stay away! i left after over 4 years and people are jumping ship faster than you can imagine. The people that are leaving have all been there for a while so that should tell youm something. The promise onething but deliver the total opposite. Nobody will tell the truth because everyone is scared. they have no union so its fire at will and they do fire at will.
Now that is an effective message... Details would be appreciated.
flagshipper06-10-2007 16:06You always have guys who will hate it. A lot of people are leaving but they are all leaving for either a cushy 91 corporate gig, SWA, Fedex, UPS or they are being recalled back to the majors.
Humphreybogart06-11-2007 16:15Quote:
Originally Posted by bravodude (Post 1348574)
stay away! i left after over 4 years...
You left or you were told to leave? Be specific. What were the reasons? What type of employment did you gain? Why did you stay at CS for more than 4 years if you hated it so bad? Please don't keep us in suspense any longer, Kid.
bravodude06-11-2007 19:26Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphreybogart (Post 1349560)
You left or you were told to leave? Be specific. What were the reasons? What type of employment did you gain? Why did you stay at CS for more than 4 years if you hated it so bad? Please don't keep us in suspense any longer, Kid.
I left myself KID. Along with about 4 or 5 others-thats in the same week. As for those that care to know why its because the company will promise one thing and they will do something that is totaly diff. their response is always the same if you don't like it leave. I have seen people screw up things so bad that you would think they should be fired on the spot but instead they are promoted. I have seen guys stay for years and years and give nothing but the best service get left behind. (no i was not one of them) for those that think the merrit based system is dead think again. no overtime=late upgrade, don't drink the company koolaid=late upgrade, mgt doesnt like you=late upgrade. As for my reasons why I left they are pretty simple. no dispatch, no pilot friendly mgt. and too much of the you dont like it then leave. crew rot at the fbo, min rest overnite evry single nite. The company will try to push you as much as they can and as long as you get the job done no problem, but if screw up watch out. There are alot of senior people that are getting ready leave, i get calls everyday asking for letters of recomendations. The bottom line is toooooo many people are afraid to say anything online or at the fbo. you don't have to beleive me since i don't care now that i am gone.
It was a great place to be 2-4 years ago but now times have change and in my opinion they are not much better than a regional. Before i left nehires were telling me that when they interviewd they were told that it was a 7/7 schedule, but when they showed up mgt all of a sudden decided that it changed to an 8/6 if this is the company you want to work for be my guest.
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Ref05-31-2007 20:39CitationShares
Just wonding if the 750 PIC is a requirement for multi or just total PIC time. I have plenty of multi SIC but most all of my pic time comes from when i was instructing in singles.
Thanks
blueridge7105-31-2007 21:48It doesn't say it has to be ME. I read it as 750 hours of total PIC.
Quote:
REQUIREMENTS
Airline Transport Pilot Certificate (Multi-Engine Land)
Current FAA First Class Medical Certificate
2,000 hours total pilot time
1,500 hours fixed wing multi-engine time
750 hours pilot-in-command time
500 hours turbine time
200 hours within the last 12 months
Restricted Radiotelephone Operators Permit
Current Passport
Ref06-01-2007 20:24Yeah I see it the same way, however when you do their online career profile and you plug in your times under the total pic time it shows up as being Total PIC Multi when you hit the submit button. If that makes any sense.
RCA06-03-2007 09:40I was wondering the same thing when I submitted. I just left the number I originally typed. It did not come up in the interview.
BoilerUP06-06-2007 10:47I know its listed on the minimums...but is holding an ATP certificate a hard requirement if you meet all of the other minimums?
Thanks!
RCA06-06-2007 12:25Yes, and if you need one there is a great DPE up in KPQI.
Guitar rocker06-06-2007 16:39Quote:
Originally Posted by RCA (Post 1346310)
Yes, and if you need one there is a great DPE up in KPQI.
Oh yah.........I know who your talking about there.
RCA06-06-2007 19:54Every one should considering he is the only DPE north of Portland.
Thanks for the constuctive post quitar rocker
willNOTfly4free06-07-2007 10:28Is 3-4K TT still the competitive mins for CitationShares? I've met several CS guys on the road, and I've heard nothing but good things about the company.
RCA06-07-2007 20:593-4k sounds about right. Persistence is one of the best ways to be competitive.
blueridge7106-08-2007 20:41With the competition for pilots tightening up, send in your resume even if you are close to minimums.
gunfyter06-08-2007 20:53Quote:
Originally Posted by blueridge71 (Post 1348065)
With the competition for pilots tightening up, .
Why do you feel this is happening?
livethedream06-09-2007 01:18send your resume with someone who works there is the only way to get a job there is what I have heard
"I hear you knocking but you can't come in"
flagshipper06-09-2007 11:43Quote:
Originally Posted by livethedream (Post 1348164)
send your resume with someone who works there is the only way to get a job there is what I have heard
"I hear you knocking but you can't come in"
A year ago that might have been true but I would say 90 percent of the recent hires I talk to had no inside connection. Just an online application
bravodude06-09-2007 21:54stay away! i left after over 4 years and people are jumping ship faster than you can imagine. The people that are leaving have all been there for a while so that should tell youm something. The promise onething but deliver the total opposite. Nobody will tell the truth because everyone is scared. they have no union so its fire at will and they do fire at will.
JettBoii06-10-2007 09:18What? Is that really true? What is it that CS isn't delivering? Elaborate. I am considering employment there. Any truth to this CS guys?
johnsonrod06-10-2007 10:03Quote:
Originally Posted by bravodude (Post 1348574)
stay away! i left after over 4 years and people are jumping ship faster than you can imagine. The people that are leaving have all been there for a while so that should tell youm something. The promise onething but deliver the total opposite. Nobody will tell the truth because everyone is scared. they have no union so its fire at will and they do fire at will.
Now that is an effective message... Details would be appreciated.
flagshipper06-10-2007 16:06You always have guys who will hate it. A lot of people are leaving but they are all leaving for either a cushy 91 corporate gig, SWA, Fedex, UPS or they are being recalled back to the majors.
Humphreybogart06-11-2007 16:15Quote:
Originally Posted by bravodude (Post 1348574)
stay away! i left after over 4 years...
You left or you were told to leave? Be specific. What were the reasons? What type of employment did you gain? Why did you stay at CS for more than 4 years if you hated it so bad? Please don't keep us in suspense any longer, Kid.
bravodude06-11-2007 19:26Quote:
Originally Posted by Humphreybogart (Post 1349560)
You left or you were told to leave? Be specific. What were the reasons? What type of employment did you gain? Why did you stay at CS for more than 4 years if you hated it so bad? Please don't keep us in suspense any longer, Kid.
I left myself KID. Along with about 4 or 5 others-thats in the same week. As for those that care to know why its because the company will promise one thing and they will do something that is totaly diff. their response is always the same if you don't like it leave. I have seen people screw up things so bad that you would think they should be fired on the spot but instead they are promoted. I have seen guys stay for years and years and give nothing but the best service get left behind. (no i was not one of them) for those that think the merrit based system is dead think again. no overtime=late upgrade, don't drink the company koolaid=late upgrade, mgt doesnt like you=late upgrade. As for my reasons why I left they are pretty simple. no dispatch, no pilot friendly mgt. and too much of the you dont like it then leave. crew rot at the fbo, min rest overnite evry single nite. The company will try to push you as much as they can and as long as you get the job done no problem, but if screw up watch out. There are alot of senior people that are getting ready leave, i get calls everyday asking for letters of recomendations. The bottom line is toooooo many people are afraid to say anything online or at the fbo. you don't have to beleive me since i don't care now that i am gone.
It was a great place to be 2-4 years ago but now times have change and in my opinion they are not much better than a regional. Before i left nehires were telling me that when they interviewd they were told that it was a 7/7 schedule, but when they showed up mgt all of a sudden decided that it changed to an 8/6 if this is the company you want to work for be my guest.
06-11-2007, 08:42 PM
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APC is APC because it isn't flightinfo. Posting stuff from FI at APC isn't really a very good idea, if you ask me. It's not something that I've seen here before, and I don't think we need to go there with the cut and paste.
I'll leave it to the admins to decide.
I'll leave it to the admins to decide.
06-11-2007, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by de727ups
APC is APC because it isn't flightinfo. Posting stuff from FI at APC isn't really a very good idea, if you ask me. It's not something that I've seen here before, and I don't think we need to go there with the cut and paste.
I'll leave it to the admins to decide.
I'll leave it to the admins to decide.
06-12-2007, 10:57 AM
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JettBoii06-11-2007 21:57
Blueridge71; if your reading this..any truth to it?
Heavy Set06-11-2007 23:44Unions are not perfect by any means, but if you ever needed an argument for one, Bravodude can provide the reasons......... Meritocracy does not work when you have a lot of subjectivity and no protection. That's my opinion and it probably differs with a lot of CS folks.
DO-82 driver06-12-2007 12:53Well Bogie, I guess Bravodude asnwered your questions.
Now, why do YOU, Bogie, love it there so much with those conditions that Bravo has described?
Do you refuse trips for whatever reason?
Do you Fatigue?
How many 10 hours turns will you do?
If they were put in a private room, how would you be described by the folks who have to fly with you?
Do you still think your recent pay raise still has nothing to do with our CBA being ratified? (I love your answer to this one!!!!)
blueridge7106-12-2007 13:51Quote:
Originally Posted by JettBoii (Post 1349778)
Blueridge71; if your reading this..any truth to it?
Some.
I've heard that upgrades typically run in seniority order unless there is some problem. From what I've heard, stuff like OT just determines whether you upgrade at the front of your class or the back.
There is dispatch, but they aren't like 121 dispatchers. Pilots do the flightplanning unless it is international. They do mistakes, and so you have to watch them. Pilots have a lot of autonomy and responsibility, moreso than under 121.
I think that management is making an effort to improve things for the pilots. We'll see how it goes. I keep hearing that a lot of positive changes will come with profitability next year.
Airport standby is not nearly as bad as it was, at least it hasn't been for me. I think a lot depends on the fleet and the location.
As far as min rest, it is 10 hours and you technically get min rest a lot. I say technically because when you get done flying early, you go to the hotel for hotel reserve. You are at the hotel, but technically you are still on duty. The big difference is that you can't have a beer and this upsets some people. The hotel reserve is mainly so that the company can contact you if the schedule changes, although there was one time that we had to check out and go back to the airplane for a rescue flight.
As Obi Wan told Luke, "a lot depends on your point of view." Fractional flying in general and CS in particular is not for everyone. I enjoy the flying and I like the company even though every pilot can point to areas that they would like to see improved.
Blueridge71; if your reading this..any truth to it?
Heavy Set06-11-2007 23:44Unions are not perfect by any means, but if you ever needed an argument for one, Bravodude can provide the reasons......... Meritocracy does not work when you have a lot of subjectivity and no protection. That's my opinion and it probably differs with a lot of CS folks.
DO-82 driver06-12-2007 12:53Well Bogie, I guess Bravodude asnwered your questions.
Now, why do YOU, Bogie, love it there so much with those conditions that Bravo has described?
Do you refuse trips for whatever reason?
Do you Fatigue?
How many 10 hours turns will you do?
If they were put in a private room, how would you be described by the folks who have to fly with you?
Do you still think your recent pay raise still has nothing to do with our CBA being ratified? (I love your answer to this one!!!!)
blueridge7106-12-2007 13:51Quote:
Originally Posted by JettBoii (Post 1349778)
Blueridge71; if your reading this..any truth to it?
Some.
I've heard that upgrades typically run in seniority order unless there is some problem. From what I've heard, stuff like OT just determines whether you upgrade at the front of your class or the back.
There is dispatch, but they aren't like 121 dispatchers. Pilots do the flightplanning unless it is international. They do mistakes, and so you have to watch them. Pilots have a lot of autonomy and responsibility, moreso than under 121.
I think that management is making an effort to improve things for the pilots. We'll see how it goes. I keep hearing that a lot of positive changes will come with profitability next year.
Airport standby is not nearly as bad as it was, at least it hasn't been for me. I think a lot depends on the fleet and the location.
As far as min rest, it is 10 hours and you technically get min rest a lot. I say technically because when you get done flying early, you go to the hotel for hotel reserve. You are at the hotel, but technically you are still on duty. The big difference is that you can't have a beer and this upsets some people. The hotel reserve is mainly so that the company can contact you if the schedule changes, although there was one time that we had to check out and go back to the airplane for a rescue flight.
As Obi Wan told Luke, "a lot depends on your point of view." Fractional flying in general and CS in particular is not for everyone. I enjoy the flying and I like the company even though every pilot can point to areas that they would like to see improved.
07-29-2007, 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by NetJets_DA2Easy
As Obi Wan told Luke, "a lot depends on your point of view." Fractional flying in general and CS in particular is not for everyone. I enjoy the flying and I like the company even though every pilot can point to areas that they would like to see improved.[/COLOR]
07-30-2007, 03:23 PM
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I agree, well put (especially the quote from Obi Wan). I am an avid reader of all CS posts and am currently courting them for employment but am a little shy of the 1500 ME fixed wing min. I've been told its an insurance issue. Can anyone tell me a little more about flex in the mins.?
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