Chris99

Well, that's how they were supposed to work, but we don't have a contract at CS. Management can change anything they want to at a moment's notice.

It is true they are only currently hiring into eight domiciles--the ones I mentioned above and HPN/EWR. This is stated on the CS hiring webpage. Of course, it could go back to the 25 at any time, or they could drop it down to eight permanently--who knows?

SevereClear

You know, Chris...if you're so unhappy with having no contract (I base this comment off of the NUMEROUS "no contract" points that you ALWAYS seem obligated to make on previous posts), why don't you go give the airlines a go? They're always looking for a Pro-Union advocate/mole.

Otherwise, do your job and try to realize how lucky you are to have a decent flying job these days.

I woulda thought you'da been happy with the 16K pay raise that all you guys over at CS recieved. Hell, I know I woulda been...

SC

Bill Lumberg

Let me guess, you are CS management? Thanks for your comment. Interesting that SC is CS backwards! Ssshheeesh - that's crazy to have managers reading your comments and trying to sway your opinions. By the way SC, this is an opinion board. Positive and NEGATIVE opinions are helpful for the rest of us - instead, you would rather just hear positives. That's unrealistic.

IF you don't like what you read, you can skip this thread. Chris, perhaps this is evidence that you should, indeed, apply to Netjets or the airlines. I would at least fill out the applications and roll the dice...

flyguy37

I think the point Chris is trying to make is similar to my own. People in FBOs are always coming up asking about our new "contract" and I am quick to point out it is only a payraise. If you came to this job expecting to be able to change between the bases and suddenly they frown upon or even forbid it you could be screwed. This is why we still have senior FOs (myself included) pursuing NJ. CS is a good company but if they are not careful....

Chris99

Thanks for the support Bill. I'm not worried about this guy.

SC, I have NEVER said I am unhappy with having no contract. In fact, I went through every single one of my posts here on the forums and I have never even said whether or not I was for or against a union at CS. For your benefit, I have copied and pasted every post I have made that contains the word "union" in it. As you can see, the only time I mention a union is to provide FACTUAL information concerning CS for people considering employment here, and these posts are ALWAYS in response to someone asking a question:

"Yes, I fly with CS out of DEN. It's a good place to work for. There is a push for a union going on right now, just to let you know. Most people seem to think there will be a vote this year."

"I would make potential future CS employees aware that there is a strong push for a union here at CS due to recent events. If you don't want to deal with that, don't interview."

"There is currently a push for a union here at CS which has been recently strengthened by a rogue firing by upper level management. I will say that the person who was fired was reinstated after about 35 days (with back pay) after a committee (set up by our management) determined the firing was uncalled for."

"8. There is currently talk of a union here at CS. We're also hoping for a raise if the NetJets TA passes this year."

So where are all the "NUMEROUS "no contract" points that you ALWAYS seem obligated to make on previous posts"? There are none. So please get your facts straight before you try to flame someone. The point I made about not having a contract in this post is the first one I have EVER made and is a very valid point for someone considering employment here at CS.

Most of my posts here on the forums have been to provide positive or neutral answers to questions asked by people interested in CS. I feel like I have helped CS by giving people factual (and normally positive) input about employment here. For example, here is one post I wrote for someone asking about the pilot/management relationship:

"I'm just a new hire, but the pilot/management relationship seems very good. They have people return to the company after trying other things. They also seem to care about their pilots. They gave a guy I know three weeks off (paid) when he had a family emergency. They also rearranged my initial training schedule and assigned airplane when I told them I had a wedding I was in and needed to attend."

I have never had a union--how would I know if they are good or bad? I have no interest in the airlines either. I have ALWAYS done my job, and I am very happy with the pay raise (who wouldn't be?) and employment here at CS. Sorry for the long post, but this guy was ridiculous to fly off the handle for absolutely no reason.

Chris

jousteagle

I was surprised to read this one. Chris has always had fair/honest advice about CS and from what I've gathered from his posts, he's enjoyed his time at CS. Asking for a contract is a valid concern that he voiced in a constructive manner.

UCLAbruins

I second that. He usually sounds like a happy employee. Maybe he wants a few more things, but who doesn't.

Chris you should feel welcome to give us your opinion.

SevereClear

CS Management? CS = SC Backwards? Fellas, you're paranoid...but seriously - feel free to express your opinion on here.

SC means "SevereClear" - my avatar. I guess I coulda done CAVU, but I wanted my name to rhyme. Call me crazy...

I was simply suggesting that Chris look into the 121 world due to his seemingly pro-union demeanor. It wasn't a knock on his person or personality...it was simply a suggestion.

I don't really care about "all positives." Do I think ALL pilots EVERYWHERE complain a bit too much? Yes. Do I think they are wrong for doing so? No. That's simple first amendment rights. For ya'll to assume that someone with a slightly different opinion on things is automatically CS management - or management ANYWHERE - is ludacris. Not everyone is out to get you guys...I'm sure that management has bigger fish to fry.

If ya'll want the truth, I am a pilot. I fly for an organization that will not be mentioned on here because I really don't think it matters. Bottom line is that we all fly planes - therein lies the commanality that we all share on this forum. I've paid my dues, etc. just like you guys have. What we need to all realize is that no matter where we are in the flying world, the grass is always greener on the other side. And it will be the same way when you get to the other side again.

Chris - I never said that you were lying about a contract. NEVER. You make it seem as though I was trying to turn your words into some farse. There's always a possibility of a contract everywhere. It's simple Labor Relations issues. I agree that you and others are providing an "insider's view" on goings-on within certain companies. Not a problem at all. Press on.

Knock the crap out of the company you work for or praise them to High Heaven. Either way - that's the beauty of this forum. Just because someone has a differing view doesn't mean that I'm "flaming" someone. I'm expressing opinion...just like you folks do.

With that being said - I apologize if it sounded like I was ripping on you, Chris. Wasn't my intention as I hope that you now know.

Bill - I don't really know what to tell ya...think what you will. There's probably no way of convincing you otherwise. If there is, let me know.

The fact that you guys got so upset over something so menial is a bit disturbing, though.

SC

Chris99

SC, apology accepted. It takes a lot more than that to upset me. I think the other guys who chimed in were a little surprised by your tone. I looked at the other times you've posted and it seems like you've got an axe to grind with people who complain or are pro-union. I can understand this mentality, but try to live and let live. Even if you're not intending to flame someone, that's the way it's coming across. I can't tell you what to do, but the next time you get upset by someone's post and want to reply in the heat of the moment, just take a deep breath and try to word it in a professional manner which will be more effective in getting your point across. No hard feelings.

Chris

SevereClear

Admittedly, the first post I ever did on here was a bit emotion-driven.

This one in particular, I wasn't aware it came off so bad. I was just raised to do my job happily and well, and if I didn't like it, I always had somewhere else to explore. Union or not - I prefer not, but that's just my opinion - we all should be grateful (not saying you're not grateful) that we have a cool job that doesn't involve a desk.

Glad there are no hard feelings...as stated before, this wasn't meant to be a flaming post.