FLYLOW22

I would plan on being an F/O for 2-3 years in anything from the Ultra to the Falcon on year 1. After 2 years you will have the option to transition over to NJI to fly the G4 as an F/O if you like.

When you upgrade it will likely be to the Ultra/Encore, the 400XP or the Excel.

You will likely spend your career flying CLASS 1 and CLASS 2 pay airplanes.

You might see a CLASS 3 (DA-2000, G-200) plane in your tenure here if you have several decades to blow.

I am not holding my breath on a CLASS 4 (Falcon7X) in my lifetime with 5 years of seniority.

CLASS 5 (BBJ)?? What is that?? I only see them on static demo occasionally. We have 2.

XtremeF150

Just curious I am 26 years old and wondering how spending at least 34 years in a company wouldn't put you VERY high on the seniority list? Unless you guys have some guys that are going to keep their first class med's till they are 80 or some 20 year olds on property now, the new hire would eventually hold a class 4 right...maybe 15 years but still. Just wondering I guess its not that big a deal.

XtremeF150

jtf560

Out of around 1500 pilots who responded to their age as of May of 2006, there was about one third over 45 years old. We currently have about 2600 pilots and I can't say for sure that the results fully represent the pilot group as a whole, but I wouldn't be surprised if overall less than 1/3 currently here are over 45. I would also have to guess that with how people are living longer and needing more money for retirement and how medicare doesn't start until 65, there will be alot of guys truckin' here until 65. That means Class IV as it currently stands is a very unlikely Captain position for a newhire for at least 20 years (probably longer). We have very few Class IV and above and it's hard to say how things will turn out with any single carrier petition with NJI and/ or the growth of bigger airplanes going to NJEurope. NJA could end up with mostly Class III and below (like it presently is) for our entire careers. I'm coming into my mid 30s with a little over 300 pilots behind me. I'm guessing I'll be flying for another 30 years if I don't screw up. I think I'll be pretty lucky to see a class IV captain slot. At least the company tends to keep the CA/ FO ration at about 60/40, but there are just very, very few bigger airplanes and you've gotta figure that part of our flying will never be a very high percentage of our overall fleet. Pretty much all our customers are loaded more than any of us will ever see, but even most of them are not loaded enough to fly around in a big Falcon or Gulfstream. I'm guessing FO salaries will eventually get pushed high enough for more to consider it long term to fly the bigger airplanes and I also have to guess that eventually we will not grow so fast and we'll have a lot of long term FOs who won't have the option of upgrade for a long, long time. The right seat on something big is probably all that most new guys will ever see (on the big side) since CA pay will probably always be higher in the smallest airplanes than the right seat in the big ones. At 26 years old, I'd say you would have a good shot at something big, but not for a long, long time.

XtremeF150

Well I assume the payscale on these new Falcon 7X will be the same as the CAT IV aircraft. Has anyone heard yet if this is the case?
Any exact numbers on how many Falcons and Hawkers will be delivered in 2007?

XtremeF150

jtf560

If NJA gets any 7x's they will be class IV pay, but currently management has only indicated that NJE (Europe) is getting them with a possibility of NJA getting some. The word amongst NJA pilots is that NJE will probably get all of them and they will be used to perform the majority of the transatlantic flights. This means class IV will remain a tiny fraction of NJA operations unless NJI gets brought into the fold, but that is years away if it happens and nobody knows what will happen if a single carrier petition is filed.

I'm not sure how many Hawkers will be delivered in 07. I can't remember when the 900 was going to be certified ('07 or '08) and the 750s will all go to NJE (I think they will be certified a year after the 900s). We may or may not start getting the Hawker 4000s soon. I think we have 50 on order, but they have been pretty unsuccessful at certifying it over the last 5 years.