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Old 10-25-2018, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320 View Post
What have you heard on both of those topics?
I doubt HoneyBaked “knows” anything that we don’t. They’re just stating what is arguably obvious (except possibly the November class being full). I have no inside information but I’m confident no deal was reached and I’m also confident that 50% of December vacations will be canceled.

Next year I anticipate we’ll see 75%+ vacation cancellations by summer. I’d also be surprised to see a ratified agreement by the end of next year. Realistically I think we’ll be in 2020 or 2021 before we sign a deal. I’m working on being gone by then.
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Old 10-25-2018, 10:59 AM
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Originally Posted by SFA320 View Post
What have you heard on both of those topics?
They haven't heard squat.

Very few outside DC have heard, and they wont say anything on here about it.

It's all likely, however. Except for the full class, I have my doubts.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway View Post
Next year I anticipate we’ll see 75%+ vacation cancellations by summer. I’d also be surprised to see a ratified agreement by the end of next year. Realistically I think we’ll be in 2020 or 2021 before we sign a deal. I’m working on being gone by then.
I mostly agree. I dont think we'll be held up until 2021 though. If we are, how many other carriers are going to be almost done with their second contract? Can you imagine being 2 cycles behind? Just shut the doors at that point.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:04 AM
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They have “full” classes every month. Then half actually show up on day 1.
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Old 10-25-2018, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway View Post
I doubt HoneyBaked “knows” anything that we don’t. They’re just stating what is arguably obvious (except possibly the November class being full). I have no inside information but I’m confident no deal was reached and I’m also confident that 50% of December vacations will be canceled.

Next year I anticipate we’ll see 75%+ vacation cancellations by summer. I’d also be surprised to see a ratified agreement by the end of next year. Realistically I think we’ll be in 2020 or 2021 before we sign a deal. I’m working on being gone by then.
You’re right I don’t know sh$t. Neither do you. So save your anticipation bs. We need less of this 428xx number contract analysis. Rad you were at Skywest for 2 years. You know this industry so well.
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Old 10-25-2018, 02:39 PM
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Please, lets not do the company a favor by dividing the group for them right now. Thanks. We ALL work under this sh!tty contract.
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Old 10-25-2018, 02:47 PM
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Please, lets not do the companies job of dividing the group for them right now. Thanks. We ALL work under this sh!tty contract right now.
Wise words. +1
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Old 10-25-2018, 05:29 PM
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Just shut the doors at that point.
I don’t know that Franke hasn’t taken that option off the table. As a matter of fact I believe he’d prefer that over paying Frontier pilots what they’re worth. Why else would he be parking our new airplanes?
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Old 10-25-2018, 07:56 PM
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Why else would he be parking our new airplanes?
Any real confirmation on this? Or just rumor and wishful thinking.....
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Old 10-25-2018, 08:38 PM
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Parking airplanes with $300,000 a month leases? Somehow I don't think that's the master plan here. Last time I checked, Indigo liked making money.

This process is unfair and beyond frustrating, but we will eventually get a contract and the airline will continue its plan. Everyone has known all along that Indigo wouldn't budge until they absolutely had to. And so far, they don't have to. Heck, they are only canceling half of our vacations!

They may pull a plane or two offline to be used as spares to clean up the disastrous sub 50% on time performance, but there's no way we are "parking the new planes".

They are running a business. We are just an inconvenience and a large cost and they are trying to minimize us as much as they can. They aren't shutting the doors on their cash cow.
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