V1 McFlyerson

If this passes we did.

ReserveCA

And another nugget......the % increase stops at yr 12

So a 14+ yr CA it’s a 43.9% ........

I was told 50% so where is the 166.68 X 1.5 = $250.02 rate?

Another NO...

dracir1

I’m very familiar with United’s TA - esp. the one when merged with Continental. That was by NO MEANS anything close to what we are getting (Deta + 1). Who doesn’t take that? Not sure of Delta or AA. Southwest pilots were very upset throughout their negotiation process and their committee went back and forth quite a bit. But, when you get an offer that BEATS most current offers, you take it.

That’s not even close to what we got. We ARE buying a used car off CL...that’s the point you and many others don’t get. The car we’re buying needs paint, the shocks are shot and the tires are almost bald. Yet we’re about to agree to the list price straight out the box.

Why? Because we’re scared they won’t sell us the car at all? Or better yet, if we turn down the first offer the price will go up?

Maybe we are that stupid...

Aero1900

Right. The scale no longer takes 14 years to reach the top rate, only 12. That is a benefit to all who are not already topped out. It doesnt help you, but it helps me reach the higher pay faster. A 12 year scale is industry standard. Unfortunately you had to wait 14 years to max out under the old (current) contract

TurboFanMan

Right or wrong, 51 percent or greater is more likely to happen than not.

Ohreallynow

LOA 67 and a too long bankruptcy contract is proof some are.

therapysession

Why would you vote in just a few bucks increase anyways? You are correct that would make no sense to vote no, to just get 3 and still be below industry AVERAGE by 25-30 dollars. The goal is, vote no, get at least 15 more. STILL well below average..... I don't know why everybody thinks it would take a lot of time to recoup, math doesn't add. While we are at it, give me another %2 401k. To 14%, which again.....still below industry STANDARD, not even average.

SFA320

Wow this wasn’t the first offer! I’m not sure why I keep reading that it was. Four come to mind that we know of.

dracir1

Ok. Until ALL sections of the contract are agreed upon, there IS NO offer. If there were prior offers, what were they? What were the wages? Scheduling rules? Retirement DC? Why is none of that posted anywhere here or we get an email describing? I suppose if Indigo offered a $1 raise, that would qualify as an offer...

Too many trying to split hairs. Too many attempting to divert attention to something minor. Too many trying to find justification for voting yes on a completely BS contract. This is the FIRST AIP or something the pilots all get to vote on - can we all agree on that?

This AIP wage scale is the at the bottom of all domestic A-321 airlines.

This AIP contains PBS which the union positively affirmed they would not accept.

This AIP has no profit sharing, less per diem and less company DC to retirement than most other domestic barrow-body carriers.

Tell yourself whatever you want - accepting this AIP sells our and every other pilot group short.

It took Southwest 4 years to get what they wanted...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/martinrivers/2016/08/30/southwest-airlines-inches-towards-compromise-deal-with-pilots-union/amp/

ReserveCA

Ok make 250 a 12 yr DOS.....