wt93205

You do get a vote...
You retire at 60 like you were suppose too. Otherwise don't give the junior guys crap if you stay past 60. You were suppose to be gone at 60 like everyone senior to you had to do so you could move up.

dracir1

Lol, this is just downright silly.

I’m not anything near 60 but I gotta admit, that if I were 58 or so and a law came out that allowed me to work longer and make more money, I’m not gonna retire because some guy I don’t know is at a job I didn’t assign him having a rough time getting to a major. I don’t hire at my airline and have no idea why I was selected over others who weren’t or who never got an interview.

Selling out junior guys in the contract is one thing. Expecting older guys to retire early to make room is another...

ReserveCA

Like I said earlier.......kids these days? Go figure

wt93205

You are missing the point. These guys blaming junior guys for everything have just as much blame for screwing them over as well for now having the ability to work longer. I know I paid the price of 5 additional crappy years that were worse then what these senior folks had at F9 who are claiming entitlement for the past 10 years...

wt93205

Let me put it another way. If the age 65 rule suddenly went to 60 for medical reasons, etc. Would you be fine with that? Imagine overnight the top 5 years of pilots gone. I can tell you the ones who are 58 wouldn't be. Nor would the ones over 60. They would be getting screwed over by the junior folks. The youngsters would suddenly become way more senior with many years left earning more pay because of all the additional captain slots now open. Now you don't need those extra 5 years of work since you are now earning more faster. Remember how 401k investments work. Earlier the better. Well this happened in reverse by it going from 60-65. If you didn't experience it you lucked out. So this whole F9 pilots who were here the past 10 years deserve more doesn't fly with me. I have been doing this for 15 plus years, had hard times as well, and I don't feel I am entitled to any "Pay" for the suffering that happened. Having been stuck at a regional for 5 additional years making crap pay, without the extra funds to fund the 401k, or buy a house in a cheap real estate market, now forces me to work to 65 to make up for that lost time. So don't bring up entitlement crap with me. Life is not fair. Deal with it.

RustyChain

Just when I thought this thread couldn't get anymore idiotic.

dracir1

Maybe I’m slow but how would the younger be screwing over the older in that case? Especially for a reason like medical?

So you think it was a group of older pilots at all the airlines that just “decided” to work past 60?

ReserveCA

Wow sounds like an entitlement rant....
(I've been doing this for 30yrs)

wt93205

Everyone decides when they want to retire based on their needs. The limit however was 60. Now 65. They decided to keep milking it for 5 more years with an under 60 year old sitting next to them. What a joke.

No problem. My example is that the younger ones now have less pilots senior to them overnight and move up the ladder essentially by 5 years of seniority. The younger you are the better it would be. The medical was just a reason why in the world it would ever go from 65 back down to 60. It is a pipe dream at this point. I am just using it as an example why no one is entitled to anything.

If you still don't understand what I am talking about with the age 60-65 age thing with relation to the argument of F9 pilots deserving more of the retro pie (entitlement), then you were probably not stuck as a regional FO for an extra 5+ years at poverty wages with or without kids. To make it worse, during a bad economy now with zero retirement, that would have helped reduce the furloughs, that otherwise would have been happening. You don't understand the effects of watching pilots who were about to retire get an additional 5 years at the top of the pay scale to fund their 2-3 houses and a boat with max vacation while you were stuck at the bottom or furloughed an additional 5 years. Sure we didn't get to vote in the traditional sense but now we kinda have to work to 65 to makeup the lost pay/retirement. The further at the bottom you were at the worse it is for you. I don't hear these "kids" asking for more retro for anything. They just want a fair contract. They don't want to have to kiss rings. If they did they would have gone to United. Ha!

Bottom line is no one deserves entitlement. That is the whole point. No one gets to vote on the good times or the bad times, the decisions of going from 60 to 65 or 65 to 60 if that would somehow happen. Crazy I know. If you did want a vote the only way is to still retire at 60. That's it. My point is not to rant about entitlement like ReserveCA thinks I am. He obviously doesn't get this whole point of my argument. Being around for 30 years I can see how he is looking at it through the eyes of a senior fart. Again, I am just pointing out for these senior people at F9, that no one deserves more of the retro pie just because they stayed at F9 for the last 10 years, others have suffered too, and age 60-65 is just one reason how. The only thing the F9 pilots agreed to for staying and taking a pay cut was FAPA Invest. That is fine. It was part of the deal. Nothing else. You don't get your ring kissed. You are not entitled to it. Don't make this place like United.

I voted no on this TA because it screws over the junior folks. If you don't see that then so be it. Peace.

wt93205

...now forces me to work to 65 to make up for that lost time...

How is that entitlement?