Frontier Negotiations Discussion
#4411
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I told you I wasn’t in the room. I can’t tell you what was discussed or what we got. I go with what the NC said which is we kept our work rules. That’s all I got there.
PBS is pretty standard to most airlines. It’s not as scary as people think it is. You just have to learn how to use it. If you don’t learn, then you will get screwed. If you learn, you can typically get what you want. As long as this system doesn’t globalize, it will be fine.
PBS is pretty standard to most airlines. It’s not as scary as people think it is. You just have to learn how to use it. If you don’t learn, then you will get screwed. If you learn, you can typically get what you want. As long as this system doesn’t globalize, it will be fine.
You don’t have to be in the room to point out what was gained and what was lost. You have the TA in front of you, what do you have now that you did not before? The company has PBS and they didn’t before.
#4412
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Aren’t you the one who likes to lecture people about the “give and take” of negotiations? I don’t care if PBS is the greatest thing for pilots since sliced bread, when one side wants something that bad you make them give you something in return for it, hence give and take.
You don’t have to be in the room to point out what was gained and what was lost. You have the TA in front of you, what do you have now that you did not before? The company has PBS and they didn’t before.
You don’t have to be in the room to point out what was gained and what was lost. You have the TA in front of you, what do you have now that you did not before? The company has PBS and they didn’t before.
#4413
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Obviously you need to hear it again...we got $1billion dollars...better rates, better retirement, better Ltd, better per diem, better trip rig, better dh pay, better reserve rules, better avg duty period, better medical, better job security/scope, better reassignment, better back side of the clock protection, better fatigue language, better pay protection, and a $75 million ratification bonus ..I get it you can’t get past the fact that our hourly rates are not as high as you wanted, this TA is so much better than our current book. We have provisions that will allow you to earn as much as anyone at B6 or AK or UA...if you choose to take advantage them. Or you can sit back and tell me that you fly 70 hours a month and that is it. Well you know what, I don’t fly 70 hours a month, not even close. I fly 500-550 hours but I credit 1300-1400 hours a year and I don’t work very hard doing it.
#4414
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#4415
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Obviously you need to hear it again...we got $1billion dollars...better rates, better retirement, better Ltd, better per diem, better trip rig, better dh pay, better reserve rules, better avg duty period, better medical, better job security/scope, better reassignment, better back side of the clock protection, better fatigue language, better pay protection, and a $75 million ratification bonus ..I get it you can’t get past the fact that our hourly rates are not as high as you wanted, this TA is so much better than our current book. We have provisions that will allow you to earn as much as anyone at B6 or AK or UA...if you choose to take advantage them. Or you can sit back and tell me that you fly 70 hours a month and that is it. Well you know what, I don’t fly 70 hours a month, not even close. I fly 500-550 hours but I credit 1300-1400 hours a year and I don’t work very hard doing it.
#4416
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From: Off reserve 🤫
Obviously you need to hear it again...we got $1billion dollars...better rates, better retirement, better Ltd, better per diem, better trip rig, better dh pay, better reserve rules, better avg duty period, better medical, better job security/scope, better reassignment, better back side of the clock protection, better fatigue language, better pay protection, and a $75 million ratification bonus ..I get it you can’t get past the fact that our hourly rates are not as high as you wanted, this TA is so much better than our current book. We have provisions that will allow you to earn as much as anyone at B6 or AK or UA...if you choose to take advantage them. Or you can sit back and tell me that you fly 70 hours a month and that is it. Well you know what, I don’t fly 70 hours a month, not even close. I fly 500-550 hours but I credit 1300-1400 hours a year and I don’t work very hard doing it.
#4417
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From: Happy
Ie: they are showing us examples how with the new work rules a line paying 92 hours today would pay 101 or whatever next month. Which is great but I wonder if PBS would essentially make such lines much leaner and therefore taking away the monetary, over 82 hours, gain.
Thanks. #undecidedvoter
#4418
I have a question for you all. You guys think with pbs the lines will be so much more efficient essentially nullifying the examples out there showing our current lines crediting way higher under the new contract ?
Ie: they are showing us examples how with the new work rules a line paying 92 hours today would pay 101 or whatever next month. Which is great but I wonder if PBS would essentially make such lines much leaner and therefore taking away the monetary, over 82 hours, gain.
Thanks. #undecidedvoter
Ie: they are showing us examples how with the new work rules a line paying 92 hours today would pay 101 or whatever next month. Which is great but I wonder if PBS would essentially make such lines much leaner and therefore taking away the monetary, over 82 hours, gain.
Thanks. #undecidedvoter
Nothing in this contract dictates efficiency or marketing
#4419
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I have a question for you all. You guys think with pbs the lines will be so much more efficient essentially nullifying the examples out there showing our current lines crediting way higher under the new contract ?
Ie: they are showing us examples how with the new work rules a line paying 92 hours today would pay 101 or whatever next month. Which is great but I wonder if PBS would essentially make such lines much leaner and therefore taking away the monetary, over 82 hours, gain.
Thanks. #undecidedvoter
Ie: they are showing us examples how with the new work rules a line paying 92 hours today would pay 101 or whatever next month. Which is great but I wonder if PBS would essentially make such lines much leaner and therefore taking away the monetary, over 82 hours, gain.
Thanks. #undecidedvoter
#4420
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Trip rig of 1:3.5 doesn’t dictate efficiency? Average Duty day of 5 hours doesn’t dictate efficiency? I beg to differ. Pairings will most definitely change. I do agree that PBS doesn’t dictate this though. It’s the things mentioned above.
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