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turbojet28 01-05-2018 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 2495957)
I was wondering the same thing.

I guess a more pertinent question might be - has there been a single person who was hired by Frontier that was offered an interview and job at one of the Big 3 or SW within that 2 years?

If not, that may be VERY telling....

There have been many.

SuperDuty 01-05-2018 04:21 AM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 2495957)
I was wondering the same thing.

I guess a more pertinent question might be - has there been a single person who was hired by Frontier that was offered an interview and job at one of the Big 3 or SW within that 2 years?

If not, that may be VERY telling....

Yes, I personally know two individuals who left for Delta, and one for FedEx, all hired with in the last two years. And I’ve heard of many more.........

terryhflyer 01-05-2018 04:39 AM


Originally Posted by SuperDuty (Post 2495984)
Yes, I personally know two individuals who left for Delta, and one for FedEx, all hired with in the last two years. And I’ve heard of many more.........

I think he meant has anyone had multiple job offers from SWA, UAL,AA or Delta and chosen to come to Frontier. I would say no but there are some weird people out there.

Powderkeg 01-05-2018 05:48 AM


Originally Posted by terryhflyer (Post 2495989)
I think he meant has anyone had multiple job offers from SWA, UAL,AA or Delta and chosen to come to Frontier. I would say no but there are some weird people out there.

I think he was saying it would be telling if people weren’t getting offers from the big 3 because they didn’t want to hire F9 pilots. And that’s not the case. I think we all know if those 5 offers were on the table nobody would’ve taken this one.

Blueskies67 01-05-2018 08:55 AM

I know of a few going to all those guys except American but American seems to stick to flowing their Eagle pilots if you’re not prior military.

OpenClimb 01-05-2018 11:14 AM


Originally Posted by Blueskies67 (Post 2496201)
I know of a few going to all those guys except American but American seems to stick to flowing their Eagle pilots if you’re not prior military.

I don't know if it's relevant to present day discussion, but a classmate of mine (2004 hire) went to American in the summer of 2014 when the rest of my newhire class was upgrading at F9. He had no prior military experience... Lakes and then F9 for a decade as an FO.

dracir1 01-05-2018 02:47 PM


Originally Posted by Powderkeg (Post 2496023)
I think he was saying it would be telling if people weren’t getting offers from the big 3 because they didn’t want to hire F9 pilots. And that’s not the case. I think we all know if those 5 offers were on the table nobody would’ve taken this one.

Yes, that is what I meant.

Is there some place that has that data (the # of pilots leaving F9 and for where)? If it's on our Union's website, I missed it.

And the specific info I was looking for was for pilots who signed the training contract (hired within the last year or so) getting offers. I know the training contract is relatively new but it's still somewhat important info given that UAL, DAL, AA and SW all hire about 800-1000 pilots a year combined. I'm wondering if they are shying away from F9 new hires to avoid the hassle of waiting for the potential pilot to fight a legal battle before being able to report to their training. Not to mention, if there have been single digit attrition to them overall (like 5 or so) the past year, that's 0.75 to 0.5% - which isn't very good. So far, I've heard there have been "many." Well, how many?

I would consider anything less than 2% to say that they DON'T hire F9 pilots...and that might be very important information for a new hire considering coming here. The hiring rate from regionals is around 35% or just about 2% per MAJOR regional last time I checked.

Yabadaba 01-05-2018 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 2496527)

And the specific info I was looking for was for pilots who signed the training contract (hired within the last year or so) getting offers. I know the training contract is relatively new but it's still somewhat important info given that UAL, DAL, AA and SW all hire about 800-1000 pilots a year combined. I'm wondering if they are shying away from F9 new hires to avoid the hassle of waiting for the potential pilot to fight a legal battle before being able to report to their training. Not to mention, if there have been single digit attrition to them overall (like 5 or so) the past year, that's 0.75 to 0.5% - which isn't very good.
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A training contract won't ever stop you from showing up for class. If people do hear anything it's months down the road.

My class (2+ years ago) had 23 finish training and by my count 6 have gone on to UAL, Delta and JB. The 2 that went to blue went there so they wouldn't have to commute. We were a class or two before contracts came out.

Navmode 01-05-2018 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 2496527)
Yes, that is what I meant.

Is there some place that has that data (the # of pilots leaving F9 and for where)? If it's on our Union's website, I missed it.

And the specific info I was looking for was for pilots who signed the training contract (hired within the last year or so) getting offers. I know the training contract is relatively new but it's still somewhat important info given that UAL, DAL, AA and SW all hire about 800-1000 pilots a year combined. I'm wondering if they are shying away from F9 new hires to avoid the hassle of waiting for the potential pilot to fight a legal battle before being able to report to their training. Not to mention, if there have been single digit attrition to them overall (like 5 or so) the past year, that's 0.75 to 0.5% - which isn't very good. So far, I've heard there have been "many." Well, how many?

I would consider anything less than 2% to say that they DON'T hire F9 pilots...and that might be very important information for a new hire considering coming here. The hiring rate from regionals is around 35% or just about 2% per MAJOR regional last time I checked.

Delta alone hired 1092 pilots in 2017. Don’t just make up numbers.

BlackhawkIP 01-05-2018 07:42 PM

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....or the 1237 Delta hired in 2016.


Originally Posted by Navmode (Post 2496664)
Delta alone hired 1092 pilots in 2017. Don’t just make up numbers.



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