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Old 08-22-2018, 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ReserveCA View Post
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So PBS and all that comes with it is ok with you just for $270/hr at the top of the scale?

PBS = Vacation is “pre-awarded” and your monthly schedule will be built around it

PBS = Vacation month days off are pro-rated. Instead of at least 19 days off (12 minimum plus 7 for the week) you get 15-16 days off.

PBS = Potentially having reserve awarded to you while junior pilots get lines (due to pre-award scheduling conflicts)

The list goes on, but I am a solid NO on PBS, regardless of rates. No bankruptcy judge will force us into PBS but they’d definitely lower our hourly rates if we ever wind up there again.
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Old 08-22-2018, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by CantStayAway View Post
So PBS and all that comes with it is ok with you just for $270/hr at the top of the scale?

PBS = Vacation is “pre-awarded” and your monthly schedule will be built around it

PBS = Vacation month days off are pro-rated. Instead of at least 19 days off (12 minimum plus 7 for the week) you get 15-16 days off.

PBS = Potentially having reserve awarded to you while junior pilots get lines (due to pre-award scheduling conflicts)

The list goes on, but I am a solid NO on PBS, regardless of rates. No bankruptcy judge will force us into PBS but they’d definitely lower our hourly rates WHEN we wind up there again.
I fixed it for you, because it’s only a matter of time.
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Old 08-22-2018, 05:34 PM
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?????
Huh....
NO PBS
keep the good we have AND better pay, retirement, insurance, perdiem, international override, red eye override, another week of vac at 20yrs, PROFIT SHARING, and on and on and on......
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Old 08-22-2018, 05:49 PM
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I heard (from one of your schedulers) the fat guy that runs your company (B.B.) was in SOC today screaming at everyone for cancellations, crews not doing extensions and for block turn backs. Must of struck his nerve.
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Old 08-22-2018, 06:45 PM
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i heard (from one of your schedulers) the fat guy that runs your company (b.b.) was in soc today screaming at everyone for cancellations, crews not doing extensions and for block turn backs. Must of struck his nerve.
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:45 AM
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Also we should add if vacations get cancelled we get paid out X 2.0
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Old 08-23-2018, 01:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Notarealpilot View Post
Also we should add if vacations get cancelled we get paid out X 2.0
Exactly, I don't know which MF'er negotiated that crap. That wasn't even industry standard at that time. Oh wait, it was JT and he will continue to defend this garbage contract we work under.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Notarealpilot View Post
Also we should add if vacations get cancelled we get paid out X 2.0
Still thinking too small.
X2 isn't good enough unless it is X2 at a new JA rate of 200%.
Plus the cancellations must be agreed upon by ALPA.
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Old 08-23-2018, 02:35 AM
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Originally Posted by F9forME View Post
I heard (from one of your schedulers) the fat guy that runs your company (B.B.) was in SOC today screaming at everyone for cancellations, crews not doing extensions and for block turn backs. Must of struck his nerve.
The reason nobody is accepting extensions is bc we are so overworked as is. I’ve had 16-17 days off the last year before summer hit. Since May, 12 days off a month and 85-95 hrs a month. I try to fly 70 every month but I can’t drop anything bc we have no reserves. The 3 yrs prior, I could build my schedule any way I wanted. This is completely mismanagement in every way possible. Has nothing to do with pilots. The company is completely creating this mess with some hope of demoralization and a TRO against the pilot. **** this company. I try not to speak on here but damn. We do the right thing the ENTIRE process and they win... I absolutely do not get it. Hiring problems? Hiring bonuses are just around the corner and there’s nothin ALPA can do about it. Guess what that is? Huge win for the company twice. First, more candidates come in, second... ****es pilots off bc we still aren’t getting paid. This place is the most ****ed place I’ve ever worked at. They would rather create cancellations and delays, pay bonuses and completely waste every inch of the indigo budget than just pay the pilots (INDUSTRY STANDARD!) not even trying to one up delta or anybody else. Just asking for what we’re worth... I do not understand it all. It’s very dark skies for a while I believe. BB can get mad all he wants, he created this mess. Good luck ever trying to clean it up
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Originally Posted by ReserveCA View Post
?????
Huh....
NO PBS
keep the good we have AND better pay, retirement, insurance, perdiem, international override, red eye override, another week of vac at 20yrs, PROFIT SHARING, and on and on and on......
Oh and the BIG ONE...pay rates MUST be retroactive to APRIL 2016...
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