Do you think Frontier will merge with Spirit
12-19-2018, 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Prettywhacked1
America West....US Air....Volaris......WizzAir......AA.....NK circa 2011.......
Do you require more examples?
Do you require more examples?
Do some research on his departure from Spirit.
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12-19-2018, 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
By your logic AA/DL/UAL are going to merge because they have similar contracts and compete in the same markets. I would say the F9 TA is similar because they need to be competitive with the only other ULCC operating in their backyard.
An F9/NK merge would benefit everyone but the pilots. There is no benefit to either group to interlace two young seniority lists. If either airline were to add the equivalent of the other in airframes you want all of them going to new hires being added below you and not integrated with you. Merging either with either just adds more NB flying to more US cities which is of no benefit unless you place value on a Denver layover versus a Baltimore.
The last thing any NK or F9 pilot should be wishing for is a merger or a second fleet type.
An F9/NK merge would benefit everyone but the pilots. There is no benefit to either group to interlace two young seniority lists. If either airline were to add the equivalent of the other in airframes you want all of them going to new hires being added below you and not integrated with you. Merging either with either just adds more NB flying to more US cities which is of no benefit unless you place value on a Denver layover versus a Baltimore.
The last thing any NK or F9 pilot should be wishing for is a merger or a second fleet type.
would it be easier to merge with similar rates and dates or harder? having essentially the same rates, DC and DOS dates, keeps things a little simpler until a new JCBA can be negotiated. Why march 2nd for your TA? And why compete against another LCC in your backyard AND united and southwest. Why not join forces and compete against united as one airline? Another note, you say it would be good for everyone but the pilots. Think the powers that decide this stuff really care how it effects the pilots if its good for everyone else. And yes MORE airplanes flying to MORE cities is the goal. Thats growth. Combined 200+ planes with nearly 3300 pilots overnight could provide the company the ability to scale up quicker than the two separately. With little route overlap, and F9s west coast presence combined with Spirits well entrenched caribbean and central america service that could be a nice compliment. It might not happen in 2019 but I personally think its in the cards.
12-19-2018, 09:50 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyGuy2002
would it be easier to merge with similar rates and dates or harder? having essentially the same rates, DC and DOS dates, keeps things a little simpler until a new JCBA can be negotiated. Why march 2nd for your TA? And why compete against another LCC in your backyard AND united and southwest. Why not join forces and compete against united as one airline? Another note, you say it would be good for everyone but the pilots. Think the powers that decide this stuff really care how it effects the pilots if its good for everyone else. And yes MORE airplanes flying to MORE cities is the goal. Thats growth. Combined 200+ planes with nearly 3300 pilots overnight could provide the company the ability to scale up quicker than the two separately. With little route overlap, and F9s west coast presence combined with Spirits well entrenched caribbean and central america service that could be a nice compliment. It might not happen in 2019 but I personally think its in the cards.
If you're Jonesing for a Denver base that bad I' recommend applying to F9 or UAL.
12-19-2018, 09:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Macjet
Merging two similar carriers isn't growth for the pilots. F9 has 100 airframes and NK has 130. Being 50% in seniority among 1000 pilots is the same as being 50% among 3,000 pilots. Pilots need retirements (which neither NK or F9 have) and/or new airframes. A merger of two similar carriers does nothing for either of our pilot groups as we gain no relative seniority. Orders and new pilots being added below us is what both of the pilot groups need. The only gain that could be had would be a merger with a widebody operator where higher hourly rates could be obtained at some point.
If you're Jonesing for a Denver base that bad I' recommend applying to F9 or UAL.
If you're Jonesing for a Denver base that bad I' recommend applying to F9 or UAL.
12-19-2018, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Trowserchilli
Everyone says this but nobody can answer this question.
WHAT DISTRESSED AIRLINES HAS HE “FLIPPED”?
His so called specialty.
WHAT DISTRESSED AIRLINES HAS HE “FLIPPED”?
His so called specialty.
12-19-2018, 02:29 PM
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And in regards to a merger with Spirit, Bill Franke has been quoted as saying that a ULCC merger is “inevitable.” Do you think he means Sun Country + Spirit or does he hinting about a merger between the company he owns and the other company he previously had ownship and still operates under the same exact model? I agree a Frontier + Spirit merger is not imminent but it’s “inevitable.”
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