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covid19 02-09-2024 04:01 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3766700)
I certainly share your fear and concern

I have a couple thoughts about it though;

1) This fear has been discussed since we opened MIA and started some of the mountainous routes down there

2) Every airline is doing the same thing. Heck, The big airlines have significantly shorter upgrade times than we do.

3) In the interest of safety, I don't want to see the upgrade time get any shorter than it is now. It's an industry wide risk factor for sure.

4) We need to make some changes to our culture here where we discuss flying techniques and safety more. Some of the young FOs I fly with are such know it alls I fear they can't even be receptive to learning from me. At my old airline we were constantly learning and teaching. I don't think we do a very good job of that here.

5) If you find yourself flying in the mountains in Central America and there's weather you need to avoid, look for a different arrival or departure procedure to request/fly rather than taking vectors. It's safer to be on a published procedure than to be venturing off into vector/ deviation land.

In January we had our 3rd or 4th EGPWS event going into GUA. Everyone can keep burying their heads in the sand. I don't understand how this continues with an SMS system in place.

Mooneyguy 02-10-2024 06:04 AM


Originally Posted by madmax757 (Post 3766533)

I don’t think you can quite go by month over month loss. December and January are going to be slower due to holidays

that’s the point. Dec and Jan attrition slowed down. Feb we were at 16 by the 8th. Barry claimed attrition is slowing, yes it did, over the holidays. If the trend continues in feb we will be back to the normal 30+ per month.

60av8tor 02-10-2024 06:26 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3766700)
Some of the young FOs I fly with are such know it alls I fear they can't even be receptive to learning from me. At my old airline we were constantly learning and teaching. I don't think we do a very good job of that here.[size=33px]

I think part of that attitude is just age - when you're young you know it all and everyone is just a dumb boomer - PLUS this hiring environment. I think it's easy for some to confuse a permissive hiring environment with their abilities/experience/whatever personal merit reason they believe they were hired. [/size]

PilotX2 02-10-2024 07:00 AM


Originally Posted by Mooneyguy (Post 3766902)
that’s the point. Dec and Jan attrition slowed down. Feb we were at 16 by the 8th. Barry claimed attrition is slowing, yes it did, over the holidays. If the trend continues in feb we will be back to the normal 30+ per month.

Next Christmas we will all be in SJU. Maybe they will close Denver.

FlyingR6 02-10-2024 10:01 AM


Originally Posted by covid19 (Post 3766749)
In January we had our 3rd or 4th EGPWS event going into GUA. Everyone can keep burying their heads in the sand. I don't understand how this continues with an SMS system in place.

Are we still there only ALPA carrier that doesn't do specialized training going there? Not only is it challenging, we do it as a red eye turn. Wild.

Vetti1 02-10-2024 12:09 PM

Does anyone know when Frontier is going to start interviewing again?

Powderkeg 02-10-2024 12:32 PM


Originally Posted by Vetti1 (Post 3767099)
Does anyone know when Frontier is going to start interviewing again?

Frontier recruiters don't even know the answer to that question.

But put it this way...there are dozens (hundreds?) of pilots in the pool and hundreds (thousand?) of cadets in the pipeline. We can only manage about 60 pilots per month at full throttle. We will likely continually hire a few OTS that don't need the ATP-CTP course but if you're looking to get hired as a cadet or R-ATP it's gonna be a while.

ReserveCA 02-11-2024 12:26 PM


Originally Posted by FlyingR6 (Post 3767045)
Are we still there only ALPA carrier that doesn't do specialized training going there? Not only is it challenging, we do it as a red eye turn. Wild.

ya just can't spend indigo's $ Willy nilly!

nfpilot914 02-16-2024 10:05 AM

Is Frontier still actively hiring? Thanks!

AirTractorPilot 02-17-2024 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by Vetti1 (Post 3767099)
Does anyone know when Frontier is going to start interviewing again?

Last I heard interviews we're being scheduled about 2 months out. I have my app in and thought I would be very competitive but haven't heard a thing.


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