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fivebyfive 04-14-2026 11:16 AM


Originally Posted by BagMan (Post 4021707)
It's speculation on my part ,but judging by their actions I'd say they are running out of sim slots at least enough to account for attrition/new hires, upgrades and regular qualifications.(PCs and PTs) This is why they need AQP and the MCO training sims. AQP moves requal from 6 to 9(+?) months and MCO sims open up a lot of slots for the East coast bases. So less slots needed and more slots available.

Sims in MCO will have to be negotiated in the new contract or via LOA. That's a fact. This gives the union a tremendous amount of leverage to get a new CBA signed.

Stayontarget 04-14-2026 12:05 PM


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 4023379)
Sims in MCO will have to be negotiated in the new contract or via LOA. That's a fact. This gives the union a tremendous amount of leverage to get a new CBA signed.

Why is that a fact?

fivebyfive 04-14-2026 02:07 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 4023395)
Why is that a fact?

Written in your CBA

fivebyfive 04-14-2026 02:48 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 4023395)
Why is that a fact?

25.H.9.b MIA sims were LOA'd

Stayontarget 04-14-2026 03:21 PM


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 4023427)
Written in your CBA


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 4023446)
25.H.9.b MIA sims were LOA'd

Im aware of that. And so what? Let’s say the company does it anyway. They certainly have a history of grievances from knowingly violating the contract. What would be the recourse? Our union specifically addressed this possibility at the airport sits. The answer I received was not appealing.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-14-2026 03:38 PM


Originally Posted by fivebyfive (Post 4023446)
25.H.9.b MIA sims were LOA'd


Thats sim. Take a look at loa 19 I.9. Also you see that word “or” in your quoted sec? See the phrase after it? What does that mean to you? Words matter and they really matter when making legal arguments. I’m just outlining what companies argument will be in a potential arbitration. Not saying you’re right or wrong but with any argument you need to consider what the chances of winning the argument are. If they’re not great consider making a deal and get what you can.

I could really go either way on this but imo the chances are not good to win in arbitration. They can already carve out rgs.

fcoolaiddrinker 04-14-2026 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 4023452)
Im aware of that. And so what? Let’s say the company does it anyway. They certainly have a history of grievances from knowingly violating the contract. What would be the recourse? Our union specifically addressed this possibility at the airport sits. The answer I received was not appealing.

At a bare minimum I would expect the union to negotiate on this and make the company show some cards/data. Then they can nail down the cost savings. Union can always decide that doesn’t work for us given the current situation.


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