Silver02ex

You might want to look at that LOA / MOU again, without our EIL / VIL, management said "We will be furloughing 600 pilots." They also had sent out 800 WARN letters, but they expected everyone to be recall by Spring / Summer next year which was said many times during the town hall. We had a good idea after the EIL / VIL they would still furlough which is where the 117 furlough came from. The initial award for the reduction bid came out just a couple days ago and now it's canceled. To us, it didn't make sense to furlough 117 just to recall them back Spring and Summer of next year (which is what management predicted), especially with the training and displacement cost. Cares 2 has nothing to do with our reduction bid, the only mention of Cares 2 in our MOU is that we can come back or stay on EIL. The only way we'll see any kind of reduction bid is if the demands doesn't come back next year like the company expected. There will be nearly 50% of our pilots who will have the entire month of October off and 10% of the pilots will be off until May of next year starting in October while crediting 50 hrs / month. So, I'm not sure where you get this "massive" reduction bid from, unless you miss the part that it was canceled.

"ALPA and Spirit have reached agreement to mitigate the remaining furloughs planned for October 2020. Therefore, all furloughs, downgrades, and displacements contained in the reduction bid effective October 1, 2020, have been cancelled."

Herewegoagain

Those of you complaining and sniveling on here need to remind yourself of several things. Frontier is a business, A business that has lost most of its revenue in a shockingly brief amount of time. Two, Frontier is not a charity. Three, frontier doesn’t owe you sh:t.

I would have been ecstatic to have been shown such a gracious offer on either of my two previous furloughs. Do some research children, airline furlough circa pre 2020 was a letter or an email with a date a few weeks away that you were no longer employed. With no insurance. With no ability to “pick up scraps” of open time. No longevity accrual. It meant one thing only: you’d be invited back before they hired off the street.

fcoolaiddrinker

I don’t want to take away from the job you guys did. Nice work.

Trowserchilli

Yeah ok. Thanks for that grandpa. Just can’t see past your Tri-motor days. You think your the only person that’s been furloughed before?

Your part of the reason we keep getting ****ty deals on everything.

Like I posted before. Ability for the “non furloughed” to pick up open time “scraps” will actual keep them out of work longer.

Herewegoagain

No, actually I’m not. I didn’t pick up incentivized trips during negotiations. I voted no on our contract because I thought a few small areas needed better language. I simply don’t feel entitled or owed anything. Oh, and I’m 46, no tri motors (would have been cool though) Got my first 121 flying job at age 23. Frontier is uniform #6 hanging in the closet.

ive always considered you one of the more intelligent posters on this board chili, so your expectation of an F9 handout as it’s facing a dire business environment surprises me. Maybe I’m missing something here so enlighten me. Why do you feel that frontier owes you or any of us a handout because the business is suffering causing us to be grossly over staffed? Also, what handouts/Benefits did you enjoy during your previous furlough/furloughs?

reading your post again, it almost comes across more so that you’re upset you won’t be able to pad your schedule and pick up trips because the zero time guys will snatch them up. If that’s the case, I guess you’re not looking for a handout, You’re just looking out for numero uno and your paycheck.

steadyeddy

I don't think it is the junior "children" facing furlough that are upset. Senior pilots, who aren't facing furlough, who wanted a deal on par with their peers.

pangolin

PBS IS a weapon in the hands of a company at a short staffed airline.

Gary et al

Aero and I aren't always on the same page here, but I tend to agree with him right now. Yes it is a little disappointing that the leaves are not 50 hrs. But, look at the situation we are in? Travel down 66% YoY...and that is a good day! The country is having a terrible time and we have had the luxury of barely working or not working at all and still being paid. Now we are finally directly seeing the impacts of this, yes it sucks but like Aero said, have some perspective? We have all (all pilots) been very lucky up until now.


I don't know the specifics of Spirit's deal, or any of the other airlines. Leading to what fcoolaid was saying and from what I did read in Spirit's, it seemed to say that pilots could be up/downgraded during the leave and if they were they could choose to come back to the line or continue on the COLA. That to me infers that they can downgrade/displace/furlough during the leave and those CAs on 50hr would become FOs on 50hr or FOs working the line. So yes, if Cares2 doesn't pass I could certainly see Spirit downgrading and furloughing...their deal banks of Cares2.


Ours banks on no Cares2, and if it does pass everyone is bumped back to 75 (vs 50/no change with Spirit), and yes Spirit is a direct peer but I think their deal is probably one of the better ones I've heard about. So complaining about us not comparing to our peers in furlough mitigation deals? The legacies are furloughing. If, and probably once, Cares2 passes our guys get 75hrs vs 50? That isn't bad.


I do agree with trowser that there should be a credit cap. These COLA 0s are like whoever else said "furlough +" Until all the COLA 0s are back guys should not be picking up to big credit months...morals.


So in the end there are positives and negatives to this, but COLA 35's are completely voluntary. If you don't want to do it, don't. If it works for you, great...that keeps one more guy off COLA 0. See you guys in April!

I like BIG Bus

Seriously...

I don’t think there’s going to be any Coke Zeros getting open time for two reasons. The first and most obvious is, with a reduced schedule like we have had, open time is scarce and the usual suspects will still be hovering over their keybords or programming their bots to scarf it up as soon as it materializes. The second being, who in their right mind knowing they have lost their income, will sit around “hoping” for scraps of open time to make 5 hrs or maybe if they are lucky 10 hrs. They are going to go out and find some source of income and not be available. I realize that “it’s better than nothing” but be realistic, how may of the 504 are going to be able to get even 1 turn out of this. It’s nice the union got something, and that’s all I’m gonna say about that.

twebb

Agree. Cola-0 people will be on unemployment. Pick up 1 trip, and you're not getting a check that week. Might as well let it go to a RSV pilot and enjoy the time off.