Huh?

Too few FO COLAs would have nothing to do with FOs displacing to CA or CAs involuntarily downgrading to FO (which, again, was the original issue that you clearly avoided). If there weren't enough FO COLAs, they would just furlough/COLA-0 FOs in reverse seniority order.

I'm not on here enough to know who is Mgt and who is really trying to help/discuss matters w/o influence or spin but I think it's apparent you and I are discussing 2 different matters - all good.

BTW, the correct grammar would be there "weren't" enough FO COLAs....

if a senior fo gets displaced to the left seat it causes a downgrade to a pilot jr to him/her. I’ll let someone else explain. There’s 8 different ways to.

I think it's fair to call it what it is, all those upgrades were super senior FOs. All but one is changing bases, which means that the rest are going from senior lineholder to commuting to reserve. ALL were voluntary, 100% their choice to utilize this crisis to their advantage, off the backs of their fellow pilots.

Ok. The company sent out a system bid stating there were too many captains. 261 too many to be exact. They offered company offered leaves of absence to everyone. There were more than 261 captains that took a leave of absence. That would put the company in a situation where there have too few captains.

Did that not happen?

if so, even with the upgrades (of which there were only 7), why wasn’t there a captain position available somewhere for all of the existing captains? Why would any captain need to downgrade if the company had too few captains at the conclusion of the COLA bid?

Can anyone answer that?

”off the backs of fellow pilots”
That is an outrageous statement. I may be displaced from the left seat by these pilots who had elected to be an FO living in base but would rather be a captain on reserve if the are DISPLACED from their base. I hold zero ill will because this is a seniority based system - in case that hasn’t dawned on everyone. Complaining about people who upgrade in a displacement is just ****ing up wind and y’all are getting wet.

Not a single upgrade was going to be displaced from their base.

Read Section 24.E.1.b

and if you’re still not clear and feel the displacement is incorrect, file a protest, within 72 hours. And if you miss that, file a grievance, as suggested in 24.E.5

You can disagree with how it all shakes out, but the contract is your only recourse if you feel your rights have been violated by either the company or the union.

You’ve combed through all this and know that level of detail? I can’t imagine how you know that accurately. Anyhow. Maybe all you who are upset at this should get together and post your “rules of ettiequte” that you expect everyone to follow. Picking up open time while pilots are on Empty Line Status is one I can get behind wholeheartedly, but this upgrade thing is fair play.

Honestly, it took about 6 minutes to see that this group were all in the top 10% in seat/base. Hardly threatened to get pushed out

And yes, picking up above your awarded line after Oct 1st is straight up scum bag. Not only for the FOs trying to buy groceries, but the CAs that are losing their seats. In a downgrade/furlough environment, the rules change for everyone.

Based on a what if bid that was run one day after the cola awards. Let’s face it. I wouldn’t/didn’t Make decisions In what seat and base I bid using that. I bid what I want. Always have always will. Where were they before the cola? Res? Who knows? One of the downgrades needs to file a dispute so we can put this to bed. One of them has to do it as thier the ones harmed. Use the section mentioned above. Throw in 24.C.2. Incase there’s a numbers issue.