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Aero1900 04-30-2022 06:40 PM

Frontier is currently fat on pilots and running classes of 48 with a multi month pool of guys waiting for class

I'm not saying that the pilot shortage won't eventually slow our growth plans, but it is not the cause right now.

Yabadaba 04-30-2022 07:36 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3414868)
Frontier is currently fat on pilots and running classes of 48 with a multi month pool of guys waiting for class

I'm not saying that the pilot shortage won't eventually slow our growth plans, but it is not the cause right now.

Yes, classes of 48 a month. That only ended up being a net gain of 40 pilots on the first 3 months of the year.

Aero1900 05-01-2022 03:16 AM


Originally Posted by Yabadaba (Post 3414889)
Yes, classes of 48 a month. That only ended up being a net gain of 40 pilots on the first 3 months of the year.

We just started running big classes again.

We have not been running classes of 48 since the beginning of the year, and as has been mentioned numerous times, we only need a net gain of about 200 pilots per year to reach our growth targets.

What about this:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2022/04/28/southwest-airlines-cuts-20000-summer-flights-boosts-hiring-to-brace-for-travelers/

Or this:
https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2022/04/28/jetblue-cuts-summer-flights-new-york-airports.html

Bluedriver 05-01-2022 07:18 AM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3414948)
We just started running big classes again.

We have not been running classes of 48 since the beginning of the year, and as has been mentioned numerous times, we only need a net gain of about 200 pilots per year to reach our growth targets.

What about this:

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2022/04/28/southwest-airlines-cuts-20000-summer-flights-boosts-hiring-to-brace-for-travelers/

Or this:
https://www.bizjournals.com/newyork/news/2022/04/28/jetblue-cuts-summer-flights-new-york-airports.html

Wow, 200 pilots growth for a whole year. Sounds amazing.

DumboDrop 05-01-2022 07:42 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3415035)
Wow, 200 pilots growth for a whole year. Sounds amazing.

Its about 11%. JetBlue decided to scale back to 5%.

Bluedriver 05-01-2022 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by DumboDrop (Post 3415042)
Its about 11%. JetBlue decided to scale back to 5%.

No, that's a CASM growth reduction. JB is planning to NET 700 new hires for 2022. Is 700/4500 more or less than 11%?

The company got out ahead of it's skis with how many flights they put out for sale, and are now having to reduce CASM growth, but not reducing hiring plans.

Trowserchilli 05-01-2022 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3415052)
No, that's a CASM growth reduction. JB is planning to NET 700 new hires for 2022. Is 700/4500 more or less than 11%?

The company got out ahead of it's skis with how many flights they put out for sale, and are now having to reduce CASM growth, but not reducing hiring plans.

And then had to make a Hail Mary pass to purchase Spirit, just to remain relevant in the airline industry.

Head back to your own board with the other blue ballers

Stayontarget 05-01-2022 08:54 AM


Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3415052)
No, that's a CASM growth reduction. JB is planning to NET 700 new hires for 2022. Is 700/4500 more or less than 11%?

The company got out ahead of it's skis with how many flights they put out for sale, and are now having to reduce CASM growth, but not reducing hiring plans.

Our hiring % is matching our growth %. How many pilots are we supposed to hire in your opinion?

No trying to be rude here but what are you even doing in the Frontier thread? You’ve already displayed your disdain for ULCC as a niche market that will never surpass your own.

Bluedriver 05-01-2022 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by Trowserchilli (Post 3415056)
And then had to make a Hail Mary pass to purchase Spirit, just to remain relevant in the airline industry.

Head back to your own board with the other blue ballers

Hilarious. Keep telling yourself that.

Bluedriver 05-01-2022 08:59 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3415063)
Our hiring % is matching our growth %. How many pilots are we supposed to hire in your opinion?

No trying to be rude here but what are you even doing in the Frontier thread? You’ve already displayed your disdain for ULCC as a niche market that will never surpass your own.

I was feeling a bit snarky.


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