Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3532643)

Part of "taking care of your crew" should include taking care of your fellow airmen. This includes pushing hard to fix significant issues and pushing hard for improved working conditions, work rules, pay and benefits. Both during contract negotiations and outside of official negotiations. Hiding those significant issues and deficiencies, sweeping them under the rug, hiding them in a closet, and/or minimizing them publicly in the way you continually do is the opposite of "taking care of your crew (fellow airmen)".

It's clear by your many responses that your first and nearly only priority is to continue the growth of the airline, even if it means accepting the current conditions for longer, or even forever (relatively speaking), if that's what it takes to keep people coming to F9, even if they come under false pretenses (because you continually minimize and redirect legitimate concerns).

Anyhow, we've had this conversation before, and you learn nothing from it, but judging by the reactions from many of your coworkers, I'm not the only one who clearly sees it.

I'm glad you are not in my seniority list, because I would clearly consider you an enemy of the group when it comes to pushing for a better contract, and better contract compliance. But don't worry, we have some of "you" anyway.

Originally Posted by SFA320 (Post 3532790)

All but one of them:
http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-relations.aspx

Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3532768)

Welcome back, Blue. Missed ya Bud.

Here's a question for all of you guys constantly attacking me: What the heck do you think I should be doing exactly? You want me to be "pushing hard to fix significant issues and pushing hard for improved working conditions, work rules, pay and benefits"

Ok. Tell me how exactly I'm supposed to do that? I'm not in management. I'm just a regular ol' line pilot. Show me where to push and I'll push! For God sake, we aren't even in contract negotiations! On my next flight should I get on the PA at the gate counter and tell the passengers that they shouldn't board the airplane until we get 'own occupation' LTD until age 65? Or should I tell the passengers on my welcome aboard PA that the company brought in 44 of our pilots to ask them about their sick time use and they should immediately get off the plane and buy a ticket on Delta instead? Should I go to my kids elementary school and organize a letter writing campaign to Biffle telling him to give me a raise?

What about reality? Anyone up for a dose of reality? Or are we all cool with bullsh*tting keyboard warriors pretending that they are really "fighting" for improvements when in reality all they are doing is b*tching on the forums at their fellow pilots?

We work under a negotiated labor contract, right? We agreed to it! (by 70%) We have to live with it until we can negotiate another one. And when that happens we will each have our chance to vote yes or no. In the meantime, I will do what you all want to try to get this place to run out of applicants. But beyond that, I'm just going to enjoy my job and be good to my fellow crew members. During our last contract negotiations, I attend both of our picketing events. I wore the ugly orange lanyard.I attended the union sales pitch and asked questions. I bought pizza for my entire crew last time I was on a trip. But I'm the enemy according to BlueDriver. nice.

Here ya go Keyboard warriors who think I'm not fighting the good fight:

ATTENTION ALL PROSPECTIVE APPLICANTS TO FRONTIER:
DO NOT COME HERE! GO TO DELTA UNIT FRONTIER GETS A BETTER CONTRACT!!!

We don't start negotiating for a year and won't have a deal for another 3 years after that, but I'm really fighting here guys! I bet Franke and Biffle are going to show up at my door tomorrow with a pile of cash now! I really learned from the wisdom of BlueDriver. So glad he stopped by to educate me. So glad I can completely circumvent our CBA and the RLA process to score big for the pilot group. And all I had to do was a little keyboard warrior action! Its good to not be the 'enemy' anymore... I'll sleep better tonight

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3532897)

Um yeah, not reading all that gibberish. But I will say, not being in negotiations right now is no excuse. You still need CBA enforcement and there is nothing preventing the company from entering early CBA negotiations or a pay LOA, if they didn't have boot lickers sweeping the hard reality under the rug with "happy talk".

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3532902)

Frankly you have zero clue what our pilot group is like if you think what is said on APC comes from even a remotely representative sample size. You have no clue what our union is or isn't doing to enforce the current CBA. And broadening out the audience beyond blueboy here.. for what it's worth, spouting off on APC is probably the LEAST effective way of making change at any airline. You want change? Talk to your reps. Volunteer for a committee. File disputes for contract violations. Be part of the solution.

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3532902)

Frankly you have zero clue what our pilot group is like if you think what is said on APC comes from even a remotely representative sample size. You have no clue what our union is or isn't doing to enforce the current CBA. And broadening out the audience beyond blueboy here.. for what it's worth, spouting off on APC is probably the LEAST effective way of making change at any airline. You want change? Talk to your reps. Volunteer for a committee. File disputes for contract violations. Be part of the solution.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3532908)

I wasn't talking to your group, I was talking to one pilot. I wasn't making a judgement about your group, I was making a judgement about one member of your group.

Aside from that, this is a primary place for getting a sense of each airlines pilot groups temperature and nearly the only place to get a sense of each airlines pilot group's personal feelings/struggles/satisfaction with their company, from outside. To suggest that what we read here is BS, and everything at F9 is amazing is beyond credibility. I see what gets posted here with respect to my own company, and I know good and well how much is true, untrue, and exaggerated for dramatic affect. While these forums can be more negative than reality, nearly 100% of the time if many dudes are complaining about the same issues, they ARE real issues.

Beyond that I could not possibly care any less what you think of me or my posts here. I'll leave when I'm good and ready.

Originally Posted by Bluedriver (Post 3532643)

Part of "taking care of your crew" should include taking care of your fellow airmen. This includes pushing hard to fix significant issues and pushing hard for improved working conditions, work rules, pay and benefits. Both during contract negotiations and outside of official negotiations. Hiding those significant issues and deficiencies, sweeping them under the rug, hiding them in a closet, and/or minimizing them publicly in the way you continually do is the opposite of "taking care of your crew (fellow airmen)".

It's clear by your many responses that your first and nearly only priority is to continue the growth of the airline, even if it means accepting the current conditions for longer, or even forever (relatively speaking), if that's what it takes to keep people coming to F9, even if they come under false pretenses (because you continually minimize and redirect legitimate concerns).

Anyhow, we've had this conversation before, and you learn nothing from it, but judging by the reactions from many of your coworkers, I'm not the only one who clearly sees it.

I'm glad you are not in my seniority list, because I would clearly consider you an enemy of the group when it comes to pushing for a better contract, and better contract compliance. But don't worry, we have some of "you" anyway.

Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3532914)

Leave, stick around, I don't care.