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9mikemike 11-20-2022 09:33 AM

Hard to have much pride in your brand when the only employees left working for the brand are pilots and FA’s. Outsourced ramp, gate agents, mechs, cleaning, catering owned by another company etc….No actual Frontier employees to handle the ins and outs. And Frontier was such a prolific brand in its day.

Stayontarget 11-20-2022 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by El Gipple (Post 3531842)
[*]Why is it that 244 F/O's have resigned in the last 2 years? Their average longevity? 2.4 years. For perspective, in that same period of time Frontier has hired 657 pilots yet the seniority list has grown by just 347 pilots (26 retirements and a few terminations/deaths).


Thanks again for sharing the data. Since the union has been tracking but not providing us the attrition information I have also been tracking it on the side. With the numbers you provided you completed the puzzle I was building and can share some of the data.

While attrition is bad I was always curious how bad and where the people were leaving from on the SL…

We have lost 133 new hires out of the 647. 20%. the remaining people lost (177) were greater than 2 years seniority. And since there were those retirements that means we lost 10% of our pre Covid work force in the last two years to attrition.

I can’t say I’m surprised with the way the industry is right now. Just an FYI if anybody cared…

shrsailplanes 11-25-2022 12:57 AM

Has anyone that agreed to the pre-hire bonus actually receive it?

spooldup 11-26-2022 10:05 AM


Originally Posted by Stayontarget (Post 3535094)
Thanks again for sharing the data. Since the union has been tracking but not providing us the attrition information I have also been tracking it on the side. With the numbers you provided you completed the puzzle I was building and can share some of the data.

While attrition is bad I was always curious how bad and where the people were leaving from on the SL…

We have lost 133 new hires out of the 647. 20%. the remaining people lost (177) were greater than 2 years seniority. And since there were those retirements that means we lost 10% of our pre Covid work force in the last two years to attrition.

I can’t say I’m surprised with the way the industry is right now. Just an FYI if anybody cared…


Actually pretty nice to know. I do know probably 75% of my class came here with no intentions of staying and only using it to get to a legacy or out of their regional. It is a shame, but thats what we (and all LCCs) are right now, there is a lot of movement everywhere and even pilots with 5 years at Delta are leaving for UPS and Fedex.

shrsailplanes 11-26-2022 10:09 AM

I don’t think anyone received the bonus. At least not for the 11/28 class. Either there was so much blowback they ditched the idea or maybe it will be offered to other classes down the road.

PositiveRate20 11-26-2022 11:18 AM


Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 3537810)
I don’t think anyone received the bonus. At least not for the 11/28 class. Either there was so much blowback they ditched the idea or maybe it will be offered to other classes down the road.

Eh. Don’t worry. None of the existing pilots received their last paycheck on time either.

shrsailplanes 11-26-2022 11:27 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3537834)
Eh. Don’t worry. None of the existing pilots received their last paycheck on time either.

They are still waiting to get paid? Pay your existing employees before bonuses

PositiveRate20 11-26-2022 11:33 AM


Originally Posted by shrsailplanes (Post 3537839)
They are still waiting to get paid? Pay your existing employees before bonuses

Didn’t say that. Said it wasn’t on time. As far as I know, everyone has been paid.

ULLI 11-26-2022 11:59 AM


Originally Posted by PositiveRate20 (Post 3537841)
Didn’t say that. Said it wasn’t on time. As far as I know, everyone has been paid.

Don't be dramatic, money was on the bank before ends day on the 20th

TOGALOCK 11-26-2022 12:05 PM

Pay was delayed by a matter of hours due to a software glitch. Just as it has happened to other large companies on occasion. 95% of pilots I know chuckled about it and moved on. Only a select small group of our most “special” pilots lost their minds.


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