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Shady702 01-24-2023 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 3578603)
I understand the contract. Are you saying pilots who are upgrading and going through training outside their domicile are not having their hotel expense covered by the company? I’m not talking about, for example, a scenario where a pilot who is LAS based, chooses to commute to LAS and subsequently gets assigned SIM training after his DEN ground school is over. That’s on the pilot and no airline would cover such as expense.

I am not stating nor implying that pilots out of domicile are not being provided hotels. I was one line stating exactly what dracir1 went into detail in the reply post to mine above, which I agree with.

Mesabi 01-24-2023 10:18 PM


Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 3578603)
I understand the contract. Are you saying pilots who are upgrading and going through training outside their domicile are not having their hotel expense covered by the company? I’m not talking about, for example, a scenario where a pilot who is LAS based, chooses to commute to LAS and subsequently gets assigned SIM training after his DEN ground school is over. That’s on the pilot and no airline would cover such as expense.

You sure? The regional I worked at over a decade ago covered that expense. Hotels were based on your home address on file. If it was more than X miles away from the training location you got a hotel. Didn’t matter where you were based.

Mugatu 01-25-2023 05:56 AM


Originally Posted by Mesabi (Post 3578799)
You sure? The regional I worked at over a decade ago covered that expense. Hotels were based on your home address on file. If it was more than X miles away from the training location you got a hotel. Didn’t matter where you were based.

Am I sure? Sure of what? That I work under F9 CBA and not your regional CBA? Yes, I’m quite sure of that.

Mugatu 01-25-2023 06:03 AM


Originally Posted by fcoolaiddrinker (Post 3578659)
One if the issues with hotels becomes den fo’s upgrading into another domicile. You’re not considered based in the new domicile until the effective date. Not the award date. So now if you don’t live in den you’re on the hook for 2-3 weeks of hotel stays.

Y’all are splitting hairs over a contract that was agreed to under exceptional circumstances. Can it be fixed in the future? Sure. Is it a high priority the next time around? Maybe, maybe not. We still have some heavy, low hanging fruit which needs to be addressed first. A few hotels for a fraction of the pilot group might not be one of them.

Mesabi 01-25-2023 11:32 AM


Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 3578904)
Am I sure? Sure of what? That I work under F9 CBA and not your regional CBA? Yes, I’m quite sure of that.

You said it was on the pilot and “no airline would cover that”. I was merely pointing out that’s not true. Other airlines have, in fact, covered recurrent training hotels regardless of base.

Mugatu 01-25-2023 01:24 PM


Originally Posted by Mesabi (Post 3579135)
You said it was on the pilot and “no airline would cover that”. I was merely pointing out that’s not true. Other airlines have, in fact, covered recurrent training hotels regardless of base.

No airline would cover hotel expenses that’s not in their respective CBA. Or any expense not covered by their CBA. Holy cow, I can’t believe I have to spell it out.

Next round of negotiations y’all need to think about total compensation/QOL. Think small, get small. If a few nights at a hotel are important for a very small % of pilots who upgrade once in their career at F9 the company will laugh their asses off if ALPA gave up negotiating leverage for such a thing. Why do you think regionals pay for that stuff? Think about it.

Think small, get small.

fcoolaiddrinker 01-25-2023 02:01 PM


Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 3578910)
Y’all are splitting hairs over a contract that was agreed to under exceptional circumstances. Can it be fixed in the future? Sure. Is it a high priority the next time around? Maybe, maybe not. We still have some heavy, low hanging fruit which needs to be addressed first. A few hotels for a fraction of the pilot group might not be one of them.

It doesn’t need to be fixed in sec 6 negotiations. It can be resolved in a settlement agreement as part of a remedy. I’m sure alpa is asking for something hotel related as a remedy with the associated group grievance. I’m fairly confident that remedy provides hotels for all training events if requested regardless of domicile being den new hires are getting them now. That’s the argument anyhow.

fcoolaiddrinker 01-25-2023 02:26 PM

Even if this is not fixed with a settlement agreement the company has way more issues with training and hotels than we do. Issues that are valued in the millions. Did you know they have to dh all las and Phx pilots to den, pay the dh, per diem, and provide hotels when’s there’s sims in las and Phx? Also, they have to send den instructors to domiciles where thier based, pay per diem the entire time, pay thier hotels and get rental cars? These are just two examples off the top of my head.

citationxtango 02-09-2023 04:27 AM

Can anyone that has joined F9 recently and taken the bonus confirm if they pull your credit ? I didn't see anything in the offer letter or promissory note mentioning it, but rumors on this thread would claim otherwise. I'm not planning on spending the money, I will just be keeping it in a savings account for 3 years, but I am planning on buying a house in the next few months and this would kill my almost perfect credit score and likely affect my mortgage rate...

emersonbiguns 02-09-2023 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by citationxtango (Post 3588897)
Can anyone that has joined F9 recently and taken the bonus confirm if they pull your credit ? I didn't see anything in the offer letter or promissory note mentioning it, but rumors on this thread would claim otherwise. I'm not planning on spending the money, I will just be keeping it in a savings account for 3 years, but I am planning on buying a house in the next few months and this would kill my almost perfect credit score and likely affect my mortgage rate...

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