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JoeFever1 01-21-2023 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by monkeybrains (Post 3576397)
looks like they did a month ago.

Fellow pilots,
Recently, the company introduced its latest scheme to attract pilots and slow attrition at Frontier by offering $35,000 “signing bonuses” attached to a three- year employment commitment. ALPA opposes this ploy, as we believe that our airline’s inability to attract and retain pilots stems from a larger cultural problem that can only be addressed by an overhaul of management’s approach to labor relations. However, we feel it appropriate to leave the systemic problems aside for the moment and address just the bonus program.
First, pilots should be made aware of how the program was launched. Based on the rollout we are not certain management considered U.S. tax law when designing the program, which requires that participants sign a $35,000 promissory note. In fact, the first eligible new hires were still in ground school when the company demanded that they sign amended documents changing the terms of the agreement. Pilots were informed that they would now be charged interest on their “bonus” at a rate of 4.1%. In addition, each new hire pilot who accepts the funds will be charged income taxes on the $35,000 once their three- year commitment is complete and the promissory note is forgiven. Finally, any pilot who accepts this money and does not fulfill their obligation will not benefit from any proration of amount owed to the company.
More relevant to our current pilot group, the bonus program clearly violates Section 3.R of the CBA by offering a bonus to new hires, excluding all other Frontier pilots on the seniority list. Section 3.R. provides that, “Pilots of Frontier Airlines, Inc. shall participate in any Discretionary Bonus Program on the same terms and conditions of other non-management employees.” The unambiguous intent of this provision is for all pilots to be included in all bonus offerings that are provided to any employees of Frontier. The seemingly clever approach of giving a bonus in this way is merely an attempt to end-run around our CBA.
Furthermore, the bonus program violates the contract by circumventing LOA 4. This LOA, negotiated between Frontier and ALPA in 2019, allows the company to raise first-year hourly rates to 98.5% of second-year hourly rates. The intent of LOA 4 was to give the company the ability to attract pilots with increased pay in a manner that complies with the CBA. However, instead of utilizing the contractual mechanism already available to them within LOA 4, they chose to proceed in a manner that is not contractually compliant. Notably, the company

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has chosen not to raise new hire pay to the levels agreed to by ALPA under the LOA.
Frontier pilots flying the line are the backbone of this company, and the safe, efficient, and profitable operation of this airline falls squarely upon our shoulders. Management’s choice to flout our contract and dangle a one-time cash payment to entice new pilots while ignoring those already wearing a Frontier uniform is short-sighted and will do nothing to improve retention in this historic job market.
ALPA has filed an Association grievance challenging the bonus program. We continue to object to management’s attempts to gut the protections afforded by our CBA and will keep the pilot group updated as the process unfolds. As always, your continued professionalism will allow this pilot group to rise above. If you have any questions, please contact your elected representatives or send us a DART.
In unity, FFT ME

Yay. Another sternly worded email.

Xdashdriver 01-21-2023 02:06 PM


Originally Posted by JoeFever1 (Post 3576456)
Yay. Another sternly worded email.

I guess you missed the part about them filing an association grievance then...which is all they can legally do.

ReserveCA 01-21-2023 04:04 PM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3576458)
I guess you missed the part about them filing an association grievance then...which is all they can legally do.

yay…..
another grievance for the company to ignore

Xdashdriver 01-21-2023 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 3576523)
yay…..
another grievance for the company to ignore

The company doesn't get to ignore grievances. Concede, settle, defend, yes but not ignore. But that doesn't fit your long standing narrative so you'll likely ignore it.

DumboDrop 01-21-2023 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by ReserveCA (Post 3576523)
yay…..
another grievance for the company to ignore

FWIW keep that in mind with every decision you make.

TurboFanMan 01-21-2023 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by citationxtango (Post 3576158)
I agree with everything you're saying. I really don't see how anyone thinks of this as a legitimate 'bonus'. I just thought I would clarify what the current language the company is using to explain this 'bonus'. The tax and interest implications are not insignificant, so it is a tough choice, even if you think you'll be staying for 36 + months. 3 years is a long time in this business... I am excited to join F9 and have no plans of going anywhere for a long time, but the fine print on this has to make you stop and think. If I was in my early 20's and naive about these things I'm sure I would take it and immediately go out and buy a V6 Camaro, now I'm happy to have enough wisdom to at least sit on it and let it earn me money, if I decide to take it.

V6 Camaro made me laugh!!! Thanks for that!!

Cameronhoward 01-22-2023 05:34 AM

Any idea how long it generally takes to hear back from Frontier?

ReserveCA 01-22-2023 06:01 AM


Originally Posted by Xdashdriver (Post 3576551)
The company doesn't get to ignore grievances. Concede, settle, defend, yes but not ignore. But that doesn't fit your long standing narrative so you'll likely ignore it.

and how many outstanding grievances are there?
5, 50, 500, 1000+

05wt 01-22-2023 06:29 AM

For what it is worth…I just had one settled for double what I asked for. Granted it took more than a year…

fcoolaiddrinker 01-22-2023 07:55 AM


Originally Posted by 05wt (Post 3576818)
For what it is worth…I just had one settled for double what I asked for. Granted it took more than a year…


There’s standing remedies for certain contract violations. It doesn’t matter what you asked for.


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