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hercretired 08-10-2023 09:57 AM


Originally Posted by Mugatu (Post 3680554)
True we don’t own anything but currently the value is the rights to our assets. I remember when we owned airplanes and it was played up as an asset “a piggy bank we can tap into” (was the actual quote.) So what happened when the world tanked in 2008 and airplanes were dime a dozen? Our piggy bank disappeared. Franke is smart to lease everything…incredible leverage for another 2008 event (or Covid)…“want your airplanes back? Sure! Here they are! Oh, you don’t want them because everyone is returning airplanes? Ok, let’s negotiate!”

well, I guess that is my point. Franke / Indigo, probaby has "rights to the assets" , versus Frontier

but who knows

DumboDrop 08-10-2023 10:00 AM


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 3680548)
And as mentioned before, all aircraft on order that some believe to mean we HAVE to grow are entirely fungible among Indigo's assets... ie they can be reallocated from Frontier to Wizz, Volaris, Jetsmart, etc. with the stroke of a pen.

Sort of...

Jetsmart has 19 airplanes, so sending them a few hundred is probably not going to happen. Mexican aviation is pretty screwed up, the Mexican Navy is taking over the Mexico City airport, and Volaris has been loosing money. Wizz, possible. But the US market is the whale.

Stayontarget 08-10-2023 10:19 AM


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 3680548)
And as mentioned before, all aircraft on order that some believe to mean we HAVE to grow are entirely fungible among Indigo's assets... ie they can be reallocated from Frontier to Wizz, Volaris, Jetsmart, etc. with the stroke of a pen.

I have heard they can and can’t. Not sure which is true.

But assuming they can, Wizz just put in another large order and have plenty coming their way. https://www.airbus.com/en/newsroom/press-releases/2023-08-wizz-air-orders-a-further-75-a321neo-family-aircraft?fbclid=IwAR0A-CCcwDk1S3BvDzXdGdUXNVoVnoGHoBstIiTrmT8VqgwgvnpkTMB _kpk
I can’t see Jetsmarter or Volaris taking many. Actually, I would see Frontier taking more from others with the hole that Spirit should be leaving behind and the size of the US market.

Aero1900 08-10-2023 04:40 PM


Originally Posted by AntiCompanyMan (Post 3680548)
And as mentioned before, all aircraft on order that some believe to mean we HAVE to grow are entirely fungible among Indigo's assets... ie they can be reallocated from Frontier to Wizz, Volaris, Jetsmart, etc. with the stroke of a pen.

Right. Except it's far more likely that Frontier takes planes from Volaris or JetSmart than the other way around. The US economy is how much bigger than the Mexican and Chilean?

dracir1 08-11-2023 04:21 PM

Rumor has it that Biffle may be seeing the writing on the wall. Company is making money but not near as much as it could be. Lots of the Senior VPs don't like working w/ him. He yells, belittles, etc. so many just tell him what he wants to hear to placate/get rid of him in conversation. Which means he doesn't have a true perspective on how bad things are.

I know him and Franke are boys but giving the excuse of "all airlines are experiencing the same issues" might just be wearing thin. I can't imagine any other airline w/ operational stats like ours.

This and about $7.00 will get you a fancy cup of coffee...

HSCompressor 08-11-2023 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3681285)
Rumor has it that Biffle may be seeing the writing on the wall. Company is making money but not near as much as it could be. Lots of the Senior VPs don't like working w/ him. He yells, belittles, etc. so many just tell him what he wants to hear to placate/get rid of him in conversation. Which means he doesn't have a true perspective on how bad things are.

I know him and Franke are boys but giving the excuse of "all airlines are experiencing the same issues" might just be wearing thin. I can't imagine any other airline w/ operational stats like ours.

This and about $7.00 will get you a fancy cup of coffee...

Is this rumor about as true as the other rumors I hear on the line?

He’s selling his house and moving to Dallas for the merger with American?
Buying AA debt.
Big announcement May 25th (3 months ago) according to the head of MX.
Barry two years ago offered us Delta pay rates and rumor is we refused.
He closed ORD to spite the pilots.
BL saying we won’t be F9 in a year. We will have merged with a United. We are merging with United.
Everyone hates, BL and he’s being fired.
ETC Etc.

I’ve heard all those rumors too. None of them have materialized or show any truth to reality.

Barry screams like a child and is being fired. Mmmkay.

dracir1 08-11-2023 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by HSCompressor (Post 3681297)
Is this rumor about as true as the other rumors I hear on the line?

He’s selling his house and moving to Dallas for the merger with American?
Buying AA debt.
Big announcement May 25th (3 months ago) according to the head of MX.
Barry two years ago offered us Delta pay rates and rumor is we refused.
He closed ORD to spite the pilots.
BL saying we won’t be F9 in a year. We will have merged with a United. We are merging with United.
Everyone hates, BL and he’s being fired.
ETC Etc.

I’ve heard all those rumors too. None of them have materialized or show any truth to reality.

Barry screams like a child and is being fired. Mmmkay.

I have heard many of those as well...some I think may actually have some validity

spooldup 08-11-2023 05:35 PM


Originally Posted by dracir1 (Post 3681316)
I have heard many of those as well...some I think may actually have some validity

Same...

That being said, apparently word on the street from recurrent a month ago is that gate agents are in the works of being brought in house. Along with some much needed ops upgrades in ATL???

HSCompressor 08-11-2023 05:40 PM

Well there you go. Two guys on airline pilot central say so. Must be true.

hercretired 08-11-2023 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by spooldup (Post 3681319)
Same...

That being said, apparently word on the street from recurrent a month ago is that gate agents are in the works of being brought in house. Along with some much needed ops upgrades in ATL???

a month later, any progress to this?

gate agents will never be brought in-house. why? because it costs more.


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