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12-21-2023 | 01:34 PM
#51
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Welcome to aviation. Good news is we are still hiring but just a reduced amount it would seem.
Anybody have an update for the class size that started the 18th? With only 16 spots on the bid sheet I would be surprised if it was more than 20.
While it’s very early yet we are starting to see some trends. F9, NK, UPS, FDX slowing or no hiring. I’m sure there are others.
Anybody have an update for the class size that started the 18th? With only 16 spots on the bid sheet I would be surprised if it was more than 20.
While it’s very early yet we are starting to see some trends. F9, NK, UPS, FDX slowing or no hiring. I’m sure there are others.
12-21-2023 | 03:53 PM
#52
Reserve Life
Joined: May 2018
Posts: 31
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From: FO
Welcome to aviation. Good news is we are still hiring but just a reduced amount it would seem.
Anybody have an update for the class size that started the 18th? With only 16 spots on the bid sheet I would be surprised if it was more than 20.
While it’s very early yet we are starting to see some trends. F9, NK, UPS, FDX slowing or no hiring. I’m sure there are others.
Anybody have an update for the class size that started the 18th? With only 16 spots on the bid sheet I would be surprised if it was more than 20.
While it’s very early yet we are starting to see some trends. F9, NK, UPS, FDX slowing or no hiring. I’m sure there are others.
12-21-2023 | 04:31 PM
#53
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Nov 2022
Posts: 295
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From: A320 FO
Seems like the legacies hired fat and now they will grow into it. F9 can't keep pilots. So, my guess is we will shrink somewhat reducing class sizes. That should do wonders for movement within the company.
12-21-2023 | 04:59 PM
#54
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Joined: May 2008
Posts: 370
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From: F9 FO
UPS and FDX, in my opinion, are actually right sizing and have pressure from Amazon. They grew like mad during Covid, and now they are fat. Plus Amazon has been building and building this whole time, and are doing a lot more on the ground and in house with DHL, Atlas, and all those small cargo outfits. Again, my uneducated opinion.
F9, on the other hand, no idea. With bases popping up and aircraft coming pretty quickly next year, who knows.
12-21-2023 | 05:36 PM
#55
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NK is very clearly because of their engine issues. I've heard they will be down 25 planes by this time next year.
UPS and FDX, in my opinion, are actually right sizing and have pressure from Amazon. They grew like mad during Covid, and now they are fat. Plus Amazon has been building and building this whole time, and are doing a lot more on the ground and in house with DHL, Atlas, and all those small cargo outfits. Again, my uneducated opinion.
F9, on the other hand, no idea. With bases popping up and aircraft coming pretty quickly next year, who knows.
UPS and FDX, in my opinion, are actually right sizing and have pressure from Amazon. They grew like mad during Covid, and now they are fat. Plus Amazon has been building and building this whole time, and are doing a lot more on the ground and in house with DHL, Atlas, and all those small cargo outfits. Again, my uneducated opinion.
F9, on the other hand, no idea. With bases popping up and aircraft coming pretty quickly next year, who knows.
I was listening to 121.5 podcast today and they had one of the career/interview prep guys on talking about a slowdown in the churn. These numbers are total guesses but we were seeing 1000 pilots a month, sans regionals, with job offers before and now we are probably seeing closer to 700. Maybe just a couple of major airlines slowing down is all it takes to start allowing everybody to catch up? Definitely still a great time to be a pilot.
12-21-2023 | 07:13 PM
#56
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Joined: Jun 2021
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From: Joystick Operator
It was my understanding that this new model is not yet fully implemented so I don't know what they mean by "working so well". Sorry to hear that you're back in the pool, doesn't make sense as we have new airplane deliveries in Q1 and a boat load of people leaving every month.
Oh, and that "commuting base" called MCO according to BB is down on both 3 and 4 day trips, and even then, only at 20% 3 days and a WHOPPING 1% 4 days.
12-22-2023 | 02:46 AM
#57
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Joined: Dec 2021
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Thats it. It isn't fully implemented... not even close. 3 bases went down in % of 1 day trips, only ONE base is above 50% 1 day trips, and that is DFW at 62%. Next closest base is ATL with 47%, but that is one of the bases that went down like 1% from December. The rest of the bases are all below 45%.
Oh, and that "commuting base" called MCO according to BB is down on both 3 and 4 day trips, and even then, only at 20% 3 days and a WHOPPING 1% 4 days.
Oh, and that "commuting base" called MCO according to BB is down on both 3 and 4 day trips, and even then, only at 20% 3 days and a WHOPPING 1% 4 days.
12-22-2023 | 05:54 AM
#58
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12-22-2023 | 10:04 AM
#60
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Joined: Sep 2016
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It was my understanding that this new model is not yet fully implemented so I don't know what they mean by "working so well". Sorry to hear that you're back in the pool, doesn't make sense as we have new airplane deliveries in Q1 and a boat load of people leaving every month.
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