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av8nallday 11-21-2023 03:25 PM


Originally Posted by HairyCannonball (Post 3726865)
I would like to take this golden opportunity to welcome ya'all to Great Lakes and Southern Regional Airways......


😂 outta business in 2025

BagMan 11-21-2023 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3726693)
Wow.. The company isn't messing around.

When does CLE open? Was it March?

I think that we will see a small displacement from every base to open Chicago and Cincinnati. I don't know how you staff two new bases that are served by every domicile without shrinking all the other bases. I would expect to see a small displacement from PHL, MCO, TPA, DEN at the least.

I hope so. The problem is between the Flying, Reserve requirments ,and the in ability to Hire, or retain pilots . My money is on MCO. It is the only base stocked with enough pilots that is not Denver.

The whole thing is sad I really though when I came to F9 I woulden't be forced to bounce around the Country like this any more. I just got bounced out of Vegas and now it looks like soon I will be Bounced out of MCO. Feels like I am running out of gas with no where to land.

Hellokitty 11-21-2023 07:44 PM


Originally Posted by av8nallday (Post 3726866)
😂 outta business in 2025

Nah 2024..

pilot124 11-28-2023 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69 (Post 3726827)
I think that NDA they tried to get union to sign says everything I need to know about the company.

What's the deal with this NDA? Is this standard practice in negotiations? The company is sending out emails practically crying about how the union won't sign this. 1. Maybe they don't want the pilots to know that they have NO interesting in passing an industry standard contract. If the pilots think we're negotiating in good faith, they won't leave. 2 They really want to get something ironed out quickly to stop the legacies from stealing our newly trained pilots. 3. They want an NDA to protect their financials from an upcoming merger. 4. All smoke and mirrors like usual.

av8nallday 11-28-2023 05:05 PM


Originally Posted by pilot124 (Post 3728861)
What's the deal with this NDA? Is this standard practice in negotiations? The company is sending out emails practically crying about how the union won't sign this. 1. Maybe they don't want the pilots to know that they have NO interesting in passing an industry standard contract. If the pilots think we're negotiating in good faith, they won't leave. 2 They really want to get something ironed out quickly to stop the legacies from stealing our newly trained pilots. 3. They want an NDA to protect their financials from an upcoming merger. 4. All smoke and mirrors like usual.


Given what I’ve been told about all previous negotiations number 1 and 4 sound about right 😂

Dragonslayer69 11-28-2023 05:20 PM


Originally Posted by pilot124 (Post 3728861)
What's the deal with this NDA? Is this standard practice in negotiations? The company is sending out emails practically crying about how the union won't sign this. 1. Maybe they don't want the pilots to know that they have NO interesting in passing an industry standard contract. If the pilots think we're negotiating in good faith, they won't leave. 2 They really want to get something ironed out quickly to stop the legacies from stealing our newly trained pilots. 3. They want an NDA to protect their financials from an upcoming merger. 4. All smoke and mirrors like usual.

We have to wait for Allegiant's contract to see what we might get.

planejoe 11-28-2023 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by av8nallday (Post 3728870)
Given what I’ve been told about all previous negotiations number 1 and 4 sound about right 😂


Definitely 1 & 4 based on everything else that happens here on a daily basis.

Aero1900 11-28-2023 07:05 PM


Originally Posted by Dragonslayer69 (Post 3728877)
We have to wait for Allegiant's contract to see what we might get.

Do you have any insight on what's going on with Allegiants negotiations?

captnate702 11-28-2023 08:14 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3725079)
I mostly agree with the two above posts.

CVG and RDU do seem like logical next bases. LGA will be entirely dependent on the merger so that's an unknown for now.

I can see the company wanting to follow the Allegiant model to an extent, the question is how much? I wonder how many domiciles Allegiant has and how many destinations they serve? Also, I wonder how thin their reserve coverage is in small bases? If you rely on the premium folder maybe you can get away with very little reserve coverage?

In my mind, the only reason not to have 15 domiciles is having to carry 15 sets of reserves. But if almost all the trips are day turns, getting them covered is much easier. Calling out for a day turn vs a 3 or 4 day trip that criss-crosses the whole country is much easier for the company to cover. Or you just offer up a premium trip to cover the sick call one day and you don't need to use any reserves vs the 3 or 4 day sick call that frequently uses 2 reserves to cover.

It's pretty easy to see how recovering from a disruption is much easier. I just didn't think they ever cared about that lol.

All of this discussion makes me wonder why the big airlines don't do more domiciles? We have domiciles that are dwarfed by the number of legacies overnighting and yet its not a base for them.

we have 24 bases and sitting reserve in a small base is incredibly easy - some senior pilots bid reserve in small bases because they are rarely called; recently we had senior pilots in a small base who were called out just to get their landings for currency.

reserve in Florida is the opposite: basically h*ll. We have bases at six airports and reserves get jerked around in FL to cover the flying.

small bases make the company over staff on reserves which is why the QOL is so good for reserve in small bases.

we also fly way less than you all do. Utilization is nearly double at F9 than G4. Anyway just came across this and thought I’d respond to a couple of your queries.

captnate702 11-28-2023 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Aero1900 (Post 3728908)
Do you have any insight on what's going on with Allegiants negotiations?

our union president has been releasing a lot of videos and communications the last couple weeks saying huge progress is being made and we should have a deal soon.

up until two weeks ago we the union was telling us how bad negotiations are going, but then a surprise union election was scheduled and now we are being told negotiations are going great.


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