ToddChavez

I think AA gets numbers when the gate agents close out the flight. Same with SWA.

That said, I don't buy this story on its face. There is another part we aren't hearing.

sailingfun

Same at Delta, the system is quick but it needs a final passenger count from gate agent and cargo and bag count from ramp plus maintenance release if they were working on aircraft before it will push the weights.

Andy

For United, we get final weights when both gate agents and rampers close out the flight. However, we can taxi before receiving final weights. I rarely have to wait for them.
I can't push if I haven't received the maintenance release.

telejet

At AA passenger and cargo weights are sent from the gate agent and the ramp to the load planner, who then send the numbers to the crew. It's a different system than airlines who have the crew input into ACARS and send it off to aerodata.

ReserveCA

is a current MRD ever an issue?

TOGALOCK

Very rarely. The speed of maintenance resolutions is mind blowing. Depending on the maintenance issue, we never even see a mechanic. They’re in and out like a ninja with a wrench.

I’ve had to poke operations about final weights more times than I’ve had to wait for a new MRD (which has been never so far).

Andy

It can be an issue at outstations where there's contract maintenance. I think the longest I've waited is ~20 minutes.

dracir1

I'll wait for the details from the union...

ColdWhiskey

I agree. Was this individual releasing the brake early to achieve an on time departure? Or was this individual habitually changing the clock to 10 early, and then flying slow to pad block time and pay?

One scenario is to help the company. One scenario is to help the paycheck.

That being said, our on time performance is abysmal partially due to this Vol 1 restriction that we have that other airlines don't. Why not change Vol 1 so that we are allowed to release the brake once the cabin door is closed (provided the aircraft is in service)? We can be "on time" and getting paid while passengers are being moved to achieve a valid weight and balance solution (if need be). We could then push and taxi once we have valid numbers.

Petpai

the company doesn't care about ontime, they care about money. Just like they don't care about being green, they care about saving fuel, money. You can not care more about the customer than the company does. We are owned by an investment company who's only goal is to make money, not be the most loved airline. If being the most loved airline ment more money, that would be the goal. Current goal is least investment with highest return on that investment.

Just do ones job and no more and it all works out. Don't drop the brake early, and dont kill yourself to make up time and get shortcuts. If you timeout you timeout. Fly cost index as that is what they want and don't beg Ops for a gate. Just do your job not the gates or ramps. If thier plan is to have a **** show, they sit back and enjoy the show. It is hard to accept Mediocrity and watch a dumpster fire, but once you are all out of ****s, the job is much more enjoyable. Enjoy the crews you are with. The nice planes, time at home, and still a decent wage for the amout of effort given. I know most folks don't want any advice, but just not carrying about the operations has been great for my job satisfaction, stress, and life enjoyment. I find happiness at home, contentment at work.