A 3rd time ?!

Thats not a good look 🤡

Imagine if the company treated the pilots well and there wasn't a need to get through 40+ new hires with 1200hrs every month.

Bet we wouldn't have these issues, but BL says this is alright. Just like not requiring route quals for South America.

pays to have a friend at the top

Dr Demby strikes again!

Follow Alaskas lead and FIRE him!

serious question/thought

Much like SWAPA sued Boeing for withholding information about aircraft systems, is there any way we (the union) can sue Frontier for inadequate training practices? There's obviously a precedent and just because most of our LCA/sim check peeps are decent instructors doesn't mean a thing in a mishap investigation. Who's gonna be left holding the bag on an NTSB investigation when it's determined that a pilot was UQ when he/she slid off the runway (or worse, the plane is at the gate, the pilot is doing everything right and a bag loader runs into the plane so badly an investigation is triggered)? You think the pilot will be given a pass because F9 training dept is incompetent?

This is more serious than I think some people think...

as long as the pilot didn’t know they dequaled due to a paperwork issue they would still be protected under the asap program just as if they hadn’t dequaled due to paperwork issues.
You can make up any scenario but as long as no alcohol was involved and an incident/accident wasn’t intentional asap should protect. Of course judgement in the decision making process is open to scrutiny as always.

In order to bring action against a party and prevail, the moving party must prove damages. In this case, if a pilot who is adversly effected, i.e loss of job, loss of promotion, rejection of employment, the aggrieved pilot may sue for damages owing to the "loss" he/she incurred as a direct result of negligence caused by the F9 training dept. Through a legal lens, at first blush this will be very difficult to prove. However, a "Vote of No Confidence" may be a more effective avenue F9 ALPA may pursue to remove those individuals responsible for the recurring FAA record keeping infractions effecting several pilots. I would hope a class action suit could be avoided simply by the FAA imposing sanctions, fines, and whatever additional punishment the FAA deems appropriate to correct this ongoing problem with F9's training dept. It appears the same names keep surfacing surrounding this specific issue. At the end of the day, BL is responsible and as such, he and JO, BD, and TS should be held accountable for what they have done and/or failed to do. You license is your livlihood. Considering PRIA, do you trust F9's training dept, BL to protect you if there is evidence to support you Dequal'd for whatever reason? Do you really want to be positioned to possibly be forced to explain what happend in hopes the listening party takes what you say at face value? C'mon guys, this needs to be corrected ASAP. Too much at stake to let this slide.

I feel like this would be more of an indictment of our training system as a whole then crossing a T and dotting an I.
if someone slides off the runway, it certainly looks bad if they were signed off by someone who wasn’t signed off themselves. But, was that the REAL reason they slid off the runway?

I get that the paperwork must always be right. You can fly a flight and do everything correctly. But, if there’s a missing signature in the MX can, you’re still wrong.

yeah you’d lose in the court of public opinion, and you’d also lose in real court too.

TLDR: mishandled paperwork doesn’t necessarily mean failure of the system or improper training.

BD was top most no-fly-listed Captain at Frontier when he was on the line at Frontier