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Old 02-02-2024 | 11:45 PM
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What's the deal with several of FO's and Capt's having to requal owing to an alleged "paperwork" issue in the training dept?
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Old 02-03-2024 | 01:12 AM
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Originally Posted by monkeyboy511
What's the deal with several of FO's and Capt's having to requal owing to an alleged "paperwork" issue in the training dept?
FAA audit showed that some pilots were taught by unqualified instructors during parts of their training.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
FAA audit showed that some pilots were taught by unqualified instructors during parts of their training.
Would this be the 3rd time?
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Old 02-03-2024 | 10:11 AM
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Yes, I do believe the most recent event of mishandled accounting of one or more sim checkairman resulting in the disqualification of one or more pilot(s) makes this latest snafu the third (3rd) occurrence under J.O's watch. In order to correct this apparent serial probelm, those pilots effected by the mishandling of training will be required to re-train and re-qualify. I am interested in learning what cost F9 will incur to remove the pilot(s) from their schedule, get them in the sim, pay them for another sim event in addition to dropped flying, as well as sim and instructor cost(s). Who is accoutable? and what will be the consequences to those directly responsible? From an outsider looking in, would not BL ultimately be accountable? Can anyone come up with a cogent reason BL continues to cover and protect his lackey, JO? I mean really? three times? No changes? No wonder F9 is incapable of elevating themselves from the worst airline four years running.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Otterbox
FAA audit showed that some pilots were taught by unqualified instructors during parts of their training.
Just curious. There any proof of this? Or, is this about as accurate as selling 150 airbus orders?
BTW, do you even work here? How’d you get this FAA Audit?
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Old 02-03-2024 | 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by HSCompressor
Just curious. There any proof of this? Or, is this about as accurate as selling 150 airbus orders?
BTW, do you even work here? How’d you get this FAA Audit?
Can confirm.

Those affected, including myself, are being called by JO directly to explain the situation. I was told repeating the SIM events preceding a checkride doesn't mean you'll have to repeat the checkride.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 60SDriver
Can confirm.

Those affected, including myself, are being called by JO directly to explain the situation. I was told repeating the SIM events preceding a checkride doesn't mean you'll have to repeat the checkride.
Fair enough. Hey I believed it. I just take everything with a grain of salt around here.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by monkeyboy511
From an outsider looking in, would not BL ultimately be accountable? Can anyone come up with a cogent reason BL continues to cover and protect his lackey, JO? I mean really? three times? No changes? No wonder F9 is incapable of elevating themselves from the worst airline four years running.
You're an outsider? But you know the names of the people in the training dept?

Obviously your work here currently or used to. And if you don't work here, why are you here?

Anyhow, I don't disagree with anything your said. The last 2 times this happened, it was very costly and no one lost their jobs over it. Inexcusable to have happened again. Last time the FAA wouldn't even let pilots fly one leg back to base. They were dead in the water which I felt like was unnecessarily harsh on their part. It wasn't like the pilots hadn't taken and passed their checkrides. I know that one of the times the instructor (retired, non line pilot) hadn't attended ground school so they dequaled all the guys who'd done checkrides with him. That's pretty ridiculous. I mean, has the FAA sat thru one of our ground schools? Lol. They are not exactly the cornerstone of our safety culture.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
You're an outsider? But you know the names of the people in the training dept?

Obviously your work here currently or used to. And if you don't work here, why are you here?

Anyhow, I don't disagree with anything your said. The last 2 times this happened, it was very costly and no one lost their jobs over it. Inexcusable to have happened again. Last time the FAA wouldn't even let pilots fly one leg back to base. They were dead in the water which I felt like was unnecessarily harsh on their part. It wasn't like the pilots hadn't taken and passed their checkrides. I know that one of the times the instructor (retired, non line pilot) hadn't attended ground school so they dequaled all the guys who'd done checkrides with him. That's pretty ridiculous. I mean, has the FAA sat thru one of our ground schools? Lol. They are not exactly the cornerstone of our safety culture.
ground school is sh!t hot.
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Old 02-03-2024 | 09:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Russs
ground school is sh!t hot.
What he said.
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