Ur momma

Just flew with a cap that said 70% of his class had one sort of a failure or another. Thanks but no thanks.

Excargodog

So, you never intend to upgrade???

JohnBurke

Do you think that's a training department problem, or a student problem?

Upntheair27

Id bet the farm on student problem sir. This new crop ain't like seasons past.

JohnBurke

Precisely.

Ur momma

70% failure is 100% training. And I’m guess some of y’all are in it and don’t want to take accountability. The common denominator is training not the 1k hr in type fo.training is trash. And the new hires are saying it too. “Must be all the pilots, can’t be the training” How come Other airlines arnt this low?….exactly.

Switch

Sounds like projection and a victim mentality to me.

MFJones

Meh, we're talking about one captain's experience. Not exactly an in depth analysis.

Either way I would wager the fail rates are higher mostly because of pilot skill (or a lack of). I've flown with a lot of FOs recently that are either eligible for upgrade or close to it. I gotta say, most of them could seriously use another year of flying before trying to upgrade.

FlyJD

Well . . . . in my initial class of 27 FO's, I passed all the exams, but I saw nearly 1/3rd of my class mates failed the LOE, including a current C-17 pilot in the Air Force Reserve. A couple others failed the MV, two failed the MV twice. I almost failed the LOE for a rusty ILS 04 LGA approach. Thankfully I fixed it on the second attempt. It was hard getting yelled at alot with comments from behind in the sims and during flight in IOE. So yeah it was very stressful and I was pretty hesitant to upgrade.

Well it got worse. I came back for recurrency a year later. MV was incomplete as I was rusty on a couple things. Single engine and setting the RNAV with the back up tracks and RNAV for visuals. Did the MV the following day in just 20 mins. The KV, I over estimated myself and thought I was ready for the 1 hr & 30 min long KV. Well I was weak on the hydraulics and some points of the exterior preflight. I forgot what the acronym is for PACKs. I forgot what's in the left fuel tank that's not in the right fuel tank (fuel temperature sensor) I confused the IDG and EDP acronyms and said them at the wrong spots, my mistake. The lines on the main gear between the tires, I took a guess that the blue lines are hydraulic lines but the black lines in the middle. Oops. . . forgot. KV was unsatisfactory. Retook and passed. Then LOE, made mistakes on single engine (yes single is both on MV and LOE). Floated past the touchdown zone as I forgot we're slightly faster, 150kts Vref instead of the usual 130/140 kts. I should've idle the power sooner. And I made a mistake of leaving the airplane uncoordinated in cruise (not during approach), I should've kept my feet hard on the rudder. Another mistake. Second attempt, better landing, but made another mistake. Missed the glideslope. So I used FPA to increase the descent rate to catch the glide slope. Bad mistake, the stabilized approach criteria slipped my mind. That was my fault and it is a critical item for memory items much like the limitations. That was an automatic unsatisfactory. Weeks later I was waiting for notification if i'd receive a little bit of training to fix the gaps and retake the LOE as that was recommended by the LCA and I thought i'd see it as an opportunity to add into my experience column and know with better and more realistic preparations for the rest of my journey. Got a call from the manager of training and a letter signed "a unanimous decision has been made to discontinue training". And I was asked to resign. So that was the end of it. All in all it was a hit or miss situation, but that's me. It was very challenging and very stressful! And I tried.

Excargodog

But the ISSUE was CA upgrades. So I ask again, what is the proposed solution? To never upgrade to CA???