Bb “ 20-30% pay increase with concessions”
02-22-2024, 06:54 AM
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Originally Posted by VisionWings
it’s near the end of the video.
28:00 to get the full talk at the end of the video about labor costs
28:30 bb mentions needing the 20-30% to be competitive wages. Then he says that we have to have competitive work rules and talks about how he is inferring some of that money back through changes in work rules.
28:00 to get the full talk at the end of the video about labor costs
28:30 bb mentions needing the 20-30% to be competitive wages. Then he says that we have to have competitive work rules and talks about how he is inferring some of that money back through changes in work rules.
It is up to US to decide our own fate. I can't imagine the same pilot body that accepted the current contract will accept anything less than the INDUSTRY average which has already been determined.
And, btw, concessions are LOSSES. We shouldn't LOSE anything. FDO lines should stay. Everything in this next contract should be as is or BETTER.
Again, it's not up to anyone but US. The pilots. Whatever we end up getting in the next contract cycle is our fault (or triumph).
02-22-2024, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by VisionWings
it’s near the end of the video.
28:00 to get the full talk at the end of the video about labor costs
28:30 bb mentions needing the 20-30% to be competitive wages. Then he says that we have to have competitive work rules and talks about how he is inferring some of that money back through changes in work rules.
28:00 to get the full talk at the end of the video about labor costs
28:30 bb mentions needing the 20-30% to be competitive wages. Then he says that we have to have competitive work rules and talks about how he is inferring some of that money back through changes in work rules.
02-22-2024, 07:03 AM
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We don't need to give up our work rules just because mgmt says so. We are light years behind legacies and SWA wrt section 1, 3, 27, and 28. ALPAs proposal has even become outdated compared to industry standard since SWAs contract came out. Asking for an industry standard contract with industry leading work rules with no concessions is a very modest goal in my opinion.
02-22-2024, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by ginntonic
BB: "Yeah so look, we we we put out our labor guide including labor costs, and we said that it'd be about a quarter of a penny."
25% is an absolute "NO" from me.
BB also mentioned we'd be ground loading in Denver later this year.
02-22-2024, 07:39 AM
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Yeah, I sure hope we all have the unity to vote NO on any substandard contract.
I am EXTREMELY afraid of those who are just here as a stepping stone though. Many of them are already showing their intentions by posting their pick up requests on the trade board, taking anything and everything, premium at flat credit, etc.
It seems like over 70% of classes have no intentions of staying and are upset they aren't flying on reserve because they want hours to move on. Numbers from resignations are about in line with losing 70% or so also.
I am EXTREMELY afraid of those who are just here as a stepping stone though. Many of them are already showing their intentions by posting their pick up requests on the trade board, taking anything and everything, premium at flat credit, etc.
It seems like over 70% of classes have no intentions of staying and are upset they aren't flying on reserve because they want hours to move on. Numbers from resignations are about in line with losing 70% or so also.
02-22-2024, 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
A quarter penny and 25% are not the same thing. I think he's talking a quarter penny with regards to affect on CASM or EPS.
Nevertheless, quarter penny or 25% still gets a no from me.
Thanks for the clarification.
02-22-2024, 08:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
OP thanks for posting, I forgot about this conference. To be fair, the interviewer put the 20-30% number out there, not BB. And BB replied it "kind of" gets you in that range. Everything is a negotiation, if we want United's contract we may have to give up 125 over 82 to get their pay rates. If we want their LTD we may have to give up our drop/swap/split flexibility. These can both be viewed as concessions OR improvements, depending on how its spun. No mediator in the world is going to side with us asking for only the best things of every other airline contract while keeping our own favorite nuggets. The vote is in our hands but the expectations have to be reasonable.
That’s an honest question. What did they lose?
02-22-2024, 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
How does Frontier's net revenue compare to other airlines? Is it closer to other LCC/ULCC's, closer to the three biggest legacy airlines, or somewhere in the middle?
02-22-2024, 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Powderkeg
A quarter penny and 25% are not the same thing. I think he's talking a quarter penny with regards to affect on CASM or EPS.
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