Bb “ 20-30% pay increase with concessions”
02-22-2024, 10:14 AM
#21
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Originally Posted by Stayontarget
When Delta crushed it and set the tone for pattern barganing agreeing to a 30% raise, 18% DC, 18 hr long call, ect. did they give up their work rules to do it?
That’s an honest question. What did they lose?
That’s an honest question. What did they lose?
The concessions we are likely to face will be small and inconsequential. Our NC is excellent and has excellent support from ALPA national. Trust our NC, they know what they are doing.
This is going to be a long, tough fight but they have a plan and are executing it. We already have a mediator assigned to us after just 6 months.
02-22-2024, 10:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
We have some better work rules, schedule flexibility and better vacation then they do.
The concessions we are likely to face will be small and inconsequential. Our NC is excellent and has excellent support from ALPA national. Trust our NC, they know what they are doing.
This is going to be a long, tough fight but they have a plan and are executing it. We already have a mediator assigned to us after just 6 months.
The concessions we are likely to face will be small and inconsequential. Our NC is excellent and has excellent support from ALPA national. Trust our NC, they know what they are doing.
This is going to be a long, tough fight but they have a plan and are executing it. We already have a mediator assigned to us after just 6 months.
We need it with the amount of commuting required and the new day trip model moving the cost of hotels from the company to the pilots.
That wasn’t my point though. My point was, to my knowledge, Delta didn’t have to give up anything to make an industry leading contract. If we only intend to match them why should we give an inch?
I am also generally pleased with the results thus far. Fairly decent communication and entering mediation asap.
02-22-2024, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Aero1900
I'm sure you're trolling but we probably bring in the least revenue of any airline
02-22-2024, 12:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
not trolling, honest question. Frontier doesnt generate revenue on par with American, Delta or United, but they also don't have the same level of expenses. After the bills are paid, where does Frontier's net results compare to other airlines on a per seat basis to factor in the discrepancies in company sizes? Genuinely curious.
02-22-2024, 02:40 PM
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Frontier 12-year Captain pay: $270.07 X 1.30 = 351.09
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Did Barry say this ? Did the word "thirty" (come from his lips? ?
Note that 20% is below "Big-3" but not much
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Did Barry say this ? Did the word "thirty" (come from his lips? ?
Note that 20% is below "Big-3" but not much
02-22-2024, 02:54 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
Frontier 12-year Captain pay: $270.07 X 1.30 = 351.09
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Did Barry say this ? Did the word "thirty" (come from his lips? ?
Note that 20% is below "Big-3" but not much
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Did Barry say this ? Did the word "thirty" (come from his lips? ?
Note that 20% is below "Big-3" but not much
Don't believe it until you see it in a TA. That being said, the real value of a contract isn't the Section III portion anyways.
02-22-2024, 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Hedley
not trolling, honest question. Frontier doesnt generate revenue on par with American, Delta or United, but they also don't have the same level of expenses. After the bills are paid, where does Frontier's net results compare to other airlines on a per seat basis to factor in the discrepancies in company sizes? Genuinely curious.
02-22-2024, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
Frontier 12-year Captain pay: $270.07 X 1.30 = 351.09
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
02-22-2024, 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by hercretired
Frontier 12-year Captain pay: $270.07 X 1.30 = 351.09
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Did Barry say this ? Did the word "thirty" (come from his lips? ?
Note that 20% is below "Big-3" but not much
Current Delta 12-year Captain pay on Airbus 320 = 351.89
30% would bring it industry standard
Did Barry say this ? Did the word "thirty" (come from his lips? ?
Note that 20% is below "Big-3" but not much
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