jerryleber

My curiousity got the best of me and I used this thing called Google.


5/16 93% of Frontier pilots voted in favor of FAPA merging with ALPA.

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...19/fapa-merger


9/17 Frontier pilots voted unanimously to strike.

https://transportationtodaynews.com/...ional%20(ALPA).


1/10/19 77% of voted to approve a new five-year contract with $1B in contractual gains & 53% average pay increases.

https://apnews.com/travel-and-touris...b90cc3320f49ed


1/25/24 Frontier pilots elect new Master Chairman.

https://www.alpa.org/news-and-events...tepping%20down

JoeFever1

Latest email said DR is no longer with the company. With my little interaction with him he seemed like a very smart, hard working guy. Mostly had the groups interests first. Wish him the best...but something seems fundamentally wrong with all these high ranking ALPA guys jumping ship. Kinda shows what ALPA national thinks of Frontier as one of their carriers (they don't care about us at all)

dracir1

I don't follow...

How does someone leaving who happens to be an ALPA officer reflect on ALPA National? Is the guy supposed to stay at F9 even though it makes better sense to leave just because he's an officer?

This is NOT a destination airline. People will leave - it is what it is.

DumboDrop

I don't believe that was an loa.

DumboDrop

You grossly misunderstand how this works.

JoeFever1

I agree to an extent. Everyone is free to do what is best for themselves. But it also feels dirty. Frontier can be a destination airline. It may not be a legacy/sw/ups/fedex, but it is next tier. I can't help but think there are some back room deals going on with these guys. More power to them, I'd just like to know what's really going on.

HSCompressor

I think you need to go and spend some time with the union. Have you gone to any meetings? Have you spoke with any representatives? Volunteer? Read the contract?

I don't think you're wrong for wanting to know. The problem is you're coming on an anonymous message board for a history lesson, with an already very gossipy pilot group.

Again, I don't think you're wrong for wanting to learn. But you have all these questions, and all this motivation (Tired of pulling yourself up by the bootstraps). Have you taken these questions to union reps and asked? Instead of Airline Pilot Central.com?

When I was an FO and would fly with Capts. in the union, I would ask them all sorts of gossip questions too. "I heard this, and I heard that, and this is why the union fails and sucks"
Yeah, and they would usually tell you what was true, why it happened that way, and that there were a variety of tradeoffs and reasons something was done in a particular fashion. When you talk to people in any of those upper level positions there's usually so much more going on beneath the surface. A random, off the cuff remark by some pilot, not in the know, might not lead you to the truths you seek.

So I say to you again, go spend some time with them. At least go to one union meet up.

spooldup

All I will add, is that if you DO NOT like the way the union is working, then let your reps know. You would be surprised the amount of B***hing that I hear and I ask if they said anything, "nope" or "they don't listen" is usually the answer.

If you DO NOT like it, then change it. This is a volunteer thing after all. Ask to join a committee, ask to help your reps, and try and join the union in some way other than being "against it" because the whole point of a union is solidarity and being one, not arguing over why FAPA was better or why you don't like the chairs, or NC, or committees take too long to do stuff.

You hurt no one but your fellow pilots with this split minded attitude.

Shrek

This thread..........during Section VI.......... *sigh* - how long have you been in MGT Bagman ?

GenericPilot

Send a "Get Involved" DART and join a committee.