I think the part that some are missing is that MANY of the FURLOUGHED pilots will be senior to the most junior of the acquiring airline.

 

That metaphor was pretty detailed. Without the beer and rubbers analogy I would have been lost.

 

Are you making a point that the currently furloughed Spirit pilots are senior to Frontier pilots now, or that in a hypothetical future SLI the furloughed pilots of Spirit would be placed ahead of non furloughed Frontier pilots?

 

i’m pretty sure no one believes that the furloughed spirit pilots would be senior to the active frontier pilots in an SLI

 

That's a good summary and I believe that's all accurate. Thanks for the post.

 

What makes your say that? Unless I'm misunderstanding you or you typo'd?

 

So I suppose that NK will furlough soon. To what extent, no one knows but it's imaginable that it may affect guys with 5, 6 maybe even 7 years on property. In the meantime, F9 will keep hiring.

At some future date, let's say F9 finds a way to acquire NK via some extreme discount and a SLI is necessary. According to ALPA, those on property at both airlines get integrated via the current relative seniority rules (the zipper effect). There will be some that are disgruntled about that but not much will be lost/gained in the process. That SLI will leave everyone equally ****ed off.

Immediately following, all the furloughed get stapled and those 5, 6 and 7 year furloughees will be junior to F9 guys who have way less time on property (guys who F9 hasn't even hired as of the time of this post).

Those MORE JUNIOR F9ers will upgrade and potentially fly w/ the furloughees. This is EXACTLY what happened with UA/Cont SLI.

Did I miss something?

 

Nope, unless you misunderstood my comment, I wasn’t responding to you. I was agreeing with you, I was responding to somebody else.

 

however, I don’t see Spirit furloughing six or seven year pilots. I feel the furloughs are done. If they furlough up to six or seven pilots, they won’t be many pilots left.

 

I didn't say sell, I said acquired. Big difference. The bond holders (a "supermajority", not all of them) are "on board" because they are totally screwed and they are accepting anything at this point. The one certainty, proven by the BK filing, is there is no value (by definition of bankruptcy) "as a complete enterprise". There are so many pieces that don't work and won't work.