Text scheduling instead of sitting on hold?
06-17-2025 | 02:18 PM
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I get that stuff like Cold WXR, SATCOM, datalink, Sirius WX, Wi-Fi, profit sharing all costs money. But do those things really save the company anything?
A simple texting system might actually help save. Fewer calls to scheduling means less time spent on the phones and maybe even fewer schedulers needed just to handle basic stuff like people calling in sick or asking to be released.
Yeah, there’s some cost to set it up, but if it makes things smoother for us and cheaper for them, it’s something we could push for with the union and maybe get something in return. Other airlines are already doing this so it’s worth a serious look.
A simple texting system might actually help save. Fewer calls to scheduling means less time spent on the phones and maybe even fewer schedulers needed just to handle basic stuff like people calling in sick or asking to be released.
Yeah, there’s some cost to set it up, but if it makes things smoother for us and cheaper for them, it’s something we could push for with the union and maybe get something in return. Other airlines are already doing this so it’s worth a serious look.
That sounds a bit like bargaining is involved. If only we were doing that right now. Fixing company issues/costs with loa’s inside negotiations/mediation is not a good idea most of the time. Even if it’s mutually beneficial. You’re using any cost savings to offset your hundreds of millions in increased labor costs. I’m sure the company would lime to fix other issues without having to raise rates, DC, per diem, ect…
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06-17-2025 | 05:06 PM
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[QUOTE=ginntonic;3921284]
That will NEVER happen. We are owned by an investment private equity firm. The majority anyways. They aren’t in the business of giving out profits unless it to themselves. So unfortunately it’s a pipe dream.
Furthermore, I’d much rather have my money now then hope for any type of profit sharing. Industry rate now! That is something that could be promised but could easily be manipulated.
I get that stuff like Cold WXR, SATCOM, datalink, Sirius WX, Wi-Fi, profit sharing all costs money. But do those things really save the company anything?
Upgraded wx tools save the company money when we avoid delays, optimize routing, and even avoid damaging phenomena such as embedded hail and lightning strikes.
Wi-Fi attracts those customers who would fly F9 but for the fact we don't have wi-fi. Once they do, it boosts revenue.
Profit sharing helps retain employees and thus reduces training costs. It also incentivizes employees to help boost overall profit because we all get a slice of the proverbial pie.
Upgraded wx tools save the company money when we avoid delays, optimize routing, and even avoid damaging phenomena such as embedded hail and lightning strikes.
Wi-Fi attracts those customers who would fly F9 but for the fact we don't have wi-fi. Once they do, it boosts revenue.
Profit sharing helps retain employees and thus reduces training costs. It also incentivizes employees to help boost overall profit because we all get a slice of the proverbial pie.
That will NEVER happen. We are owned by an investment private equity firm. The majority anyways. They aren’t in the business of giving out profits unless it to themselves. So unfortunately it’s a pipe dream.
Furthermore, I’d much rather have my money now then hope for any type of profit sharing. Industry rate now! That is something that could be promised but could easily be manipulated.
06-17-2025 | 05:11 PM
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[QUOTE=av8nallday;3921355]
That will NEVER happen. We are owned by an investment private equity firm. The majority anyways. They aren’t in the business of giving out profits unless it to themselves. So unfortunately it’s a pipe dream.
Furthermore, I’d much rather have my money now then hope for any type of profit sharing. Industry rate now! That is something that could be promised but could easily be manipulated.
They said the same thing about PBS!
That will NEVER happen. We are owned by an investment private equity firm. The majority anyways. They aren’t in the business of giving out profits unless it to themselves. So unfortunately it’s a pipe dream.
Furthermore, I’d much rather have my money now then hope for any type of profit sharing. Industry rate now! That is something that could be promised but could easily be manipulated.
06-17-2025 | 05:33 PM
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[QUOTE=av8nallday;3921355]
you know, there’s a saying:
”You don’t get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.”
”You don’t get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate.”
06-17-2025 | 05:53 PM
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[QUOTE=av8nallday;3921355]I wasn't making a claim as to what will or will not happen. Only responding to Plumba who was asked how the mentioned measures save the company money. I listed a few ways those items might save some cash.
As far as profit sharing, I disagree with you that it will "never" happen. Instead, I'm more Lloyd Christmas saying there's a chance. :-)
As far as profit sharing, I disagree with you that it will "never" happen. Instead, I'm more Lloyd Christmas saying there's a chance. :-)
06-17-2025 | 07:32 PM
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06-17-2025 | 07:36 PM
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[QUOTE=ginntonic;3921366]
I wasn't making a claim as to what will or will not happen. Only responding to Plumba who was asked how the mentioned measures save the company money. I listed a few ways those items might save some cash.
As far as profit sharing, I disagree with you that it will "never" happen. Instead, I'm more Lloyd Christmas saying there's a chance. :-)
We all have dreams some come true some don’t.
I wasn't making a claim as to what will or will not happen. Only responding to Plumba who was asked how the mentioned measures save the company money. I listed a few ways those items might save some cash.
As far as profit sharing, I disagree with you that it will "never" happen. Instead, I'm more Lloyd Christmas saying there's a chance. :-)
We all have dreams some come true some don’t.
06-17-2025 | 07:58 PM
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I think it's possible to negotiate profit sharing but not just as icing on the cake. Profit sharing would go against upper managements deeply held beliefs and values. To get them to sign off on that, i think we would likely be giving up something significant.
I don't see it being a worthy goal. I think it would cost us too much elsewhere. Give me industry standard pay, increases to retirement contributions and better benefits and let them keep the profit they can't seem to make.
I don't see it being a worthy goal. I think it would cost us too much elsewhere. Give me industry standard pay, increases to retirement contributions and better benefits and let them keep the profit they can't seem to make.
06-17-2025 | 08:06 PM
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We like to make things more complicated around here....
Luckily, it seems like they do want to update stuff such as going to electronic logbooks (in the process of converting) and hopefully that means more 2025 type tech instead of what we have now...
Do you know how embarrassing it is for me to have to ask ATC for updates on weather and what the storms look like when every other airline has internet weather/XM weather onboard their aircraft?
One day we will catch up. maybe.
I really miss WSI from my regional.
Luckily, it seems like they do want to update stuff such as going to electronic logbooks (in the process of converting) and hopefully that means more 2025 type tech instead of what we have now...
Do you know how embarrassing it is for me to have to ask ATC for updates on weather and what the storms look like when every other airline has internet weather/XM weather onboard their aircraft?
One day we will catch up. maybe.
I really miss WSI from my regional.
I still have PTSD of coming back from vacation and having 6 Jepp update packets in my Vfile.
And after 30 years of flying airliners and corporate- I have yet to fly into a thunderstorm.
Plus it’s nice to actually speak to someone on the radio.
Blue skies and rainbows 🌈
06-17-2025 | 08:51 PM
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I think it's possible to negotiate profit sharing but not just as icing on the cake. Profit sharing would go against upper managements deeply held beliefs and values. To get them to sign off on that, i think we would likely be giving up something significant.
I don't see it being a worthy goal. I think it would cost us too much elsewhere. Give me industry standard pay, increases to retirement contributions and better benefits and let them keep the profit they can't seem to make.
I don't see it being a worthy goal. I think it would cost us too much elsewhere. Give me industry standard pay, increases to retirement contributions and better benefits and let them keep the profit they can't seem to make.
what I was thinking but didn’t put as eloquently as you.
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