Frontier Pros and Cons??
03-07-2008 | 07:53 AM
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In 1985, United pilots went on strike to prevent a B-scale from being imposed ton pilots who were not even on the property. In 2007, Frontier pilots ratified a B-scale cutting first year pay from $52 to $37 an hour, while the entire rest of the contract had approximately a zero net increase in pay. I guess I will add something to the bad.
03-07-2008 | 09:48 AM
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In 1985, United pilots went on strike to prevent a B-scale from being imposed ton pilots who were not even on the property. In 2007, Frontier pilots ratified a B-scale cutting first year pay from $52 to $37 an hour, while the entire rest of the contract had approximately a zero net increase in pay. I guess I will add something to the bad.
parden my ignorance, but does this mean that the second year is $64/hr like the scale reads
03-07-2008 | 11:39 AM
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Just my 2 c, one HUGE thing that gets overlooked is how flexible our scheduling is. You pretty much can drop, swap or add anything at almost anytime. With that flexibility you can make a lot more money than is listed. I know for a fact that with second year pay at $67, I know several buddies of mine who grossed just over 100K and averaged 14 days off. On the other side you could easily get 16-18 days off as a pretty junior guy and make just guarantee.
I can honestly say that I have not met one pilot at frontier who didn't absolutely love working here. We do just about everything within our ability to save the company money because we all love it here so much.
Not to ignore the facts which are high oil & competition there is some nervousness, but I am pretty proud on how well we are holding our own vs. swa. Everyone wants to just focus on swa moving in, but we are loosing money for many other reasons which are too long to go into. We have actually seen an increase in loads since swa came into town.
I can honestly say that I have not met one pilot at frontier who didn't absolutely love working here. We do just about everything within our ability to save the company money because we all love it here so much.
Not to ignore the facts which are high oil & competition there is some nervousness, but I am pretty proud on how well we are holding our own vs. swa. Everyone wants to just focus on swa moving in, but we are loosing money for many other reasons which are too long to go into. We have actually seen an increase in loads since swa came into town.
03-08-2008 | 12:49 PM
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Just my 2 c, one HUGE thing that gets overlooked is how flexible our scheduling is. You pretty much can drop, swap or add anything at almost anytime. With that flexibility you can make a lot more money than is listed. I know for a fact that with second year pay at $67, I know several buddies of mine who grossed just over 100K and averaged 14 days off. On the other side you could easily get 16-18 days off as a pretty junior guy and make just guarantee.
I can honestly say that I have not met one pilot at frontier who didn't absolutely love working here. We do just about everything within our ability to save the company money because we all love it here so much.
Not to ignore the facts which are high oil & competition there is some nervousness, but I am pretty proud on how well we are holding our own vs. swa. Everyone wants to just focus on swa moving in, but we are loosing money for many other reasons which are too long to go into. We have actually seen an increase in loads since swa came into town.
I can honestly say that I have not met one pilot at frontier who didn't absolutely love working here. We do just about everything within our ability to save the company money because we all love it here so much.
Not to ignore the facts which are high oil & competition there is some nervousness, but I am pretty proud on how well we are holding our own vs. swa. Everyone wants to just focus on swa moving in, but we are loosing money for many other reasons which are too long to go into. We have actually seen an increase in loads since swa came into town.
Thanks
03-15-2008 | 02:22 PM
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I have only flown Frontier a few times but from my experience I have really enjoyed my flights and the service provided by the flight crew and cabin crew. The airplanes are very nice also. Usually I'm a fan of Boeing products >G<, but I have enjoyed my flights on Frontier. I like the marketing tool of the animal prints, I like the way the cabin crews actually hold the passengers to a standard, and if I thought I could make it there - it is one of the first places that I would look at for my new job. Unfortunately, it looks like they don't pay as well and from what I've on this thread - it sounds like they may be in a little trouble. This is unfortunate. I'd really like to see them survive and then thrive!
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03-15-2008 | 09:08 PM
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Couple updates...
- As stated earlier, Second year pay is at ~64
- Third year ~73
- Tentative new hire/upgrade plans for 08- 3 classes of 6, 6, and 8 (20 total) and 1 upgrade class of 6.
- We have the best fuel burn in the industry for the Airbus, and a CASM near the bottom. New CEO is well regarded in the company, and his stated goal is to "extend the runway," that is, do EVERYTHING possible to extend the amount of time we can survive until the "shakeout," which is inevitable with fuel as it is (mergers, capacity reductions, etc). Hints that there is an ongoing search for more code-share type agreements with other airlines (like we have with Airtran).
- Our most profitable routes are the routes we share with Southwest. Odd I know, but that's what they're saying. Southwest is not killing us, but fuel and the slow start-up to Lynx (which is doing much better now) have.
Some say that holding out as long as possible is no plan, but what else can be done? A risky time to come here, but I know I'll never find a better group of people to work with than at F9.
- Third year ~73
- Tentative new hire/upgrade plans for 08- 3 classes of 6, 6, and 8 (20 total) and 1 upgrade class of 6.
- We have the best fuel burn in the industry for the Airbus, and a CASM near the bottom. New CEO is well regarded in the company, and his stated goal is to "extend the runway," that is, do EVERYTHING possible to extend the amount of time we can survive until the "shakeout," which is inevitable with fuel as it is (mergers, capacity reductions, etc). Hints that there is an ongoing search for more code-share type agreements with other airlines (like we have with Airtran).
- Our most profitable routes are the routes we share with Southwest. Odd I know, but that's what they're saying. Southwest is not killing us, but fuel and the slow start-up to Lynx (which is doing much better now) have.
Some say that holding out as long as possible is no plan, but what else can be done? A risky time to come here, but I know I'll never find a better group of people to work with than at F9.
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