What I love about your post the most is your Monday morning quarterbacking. I love all of your lectures on telling us what to do. The way you sound, you must be a CEO of a fortune 500 company! That is why YOU need to worry about your contract. I cannot wait to see how the IBT will better implement ours than RPC. This will be a joke! If you think ramming the IBT down our throats is going to create unity, then you are smoking some really good stuff.
Good luck RAH bro.

That's not an argument you've seen me or any RAH pilot make. BB tells you all that to make you believe he's on your side. And while he may prefer your staying separate, I think if it requires losing his dream, being in charge of his own major, he'll balk. Time will tell, but if F9 survives until 2014, I'll be shocked if their "good faith effort" is really made in good faith.

I guess I don't understand your argument here? Your contribution is 10-15M. If you agree that that amount won't make a difference, then you've conceded my point that these concessions are only about avoiding integration and have no effect on the viability of F9. 10-15M won't change the course of bankruptcy, and doesn't affect whether the other stakeholders give concessions or not. Your concessions don't add up to $190M. If you vote no and they get the rest they'll have $175M. The difference is negligible. So why give the concessions?

I don't think we have to disagree at all. I never said the financials aren't weak. Some have, but not me. In fact I've stated and will state again that I fully expect we'll be in bankruptcy proceedings before second quarter 2012. But, that doesn't justify giving labor concessions when labor costs and CASM are already below average. If they can't turn a profit with your current CASM that's the lowest in the industry, $15M in reduced labor costs isn't gonna save your jobs. You've agreed yourself that this amount won't change the outcome. So why hurt your pilot group, the other F9'ers, and the RAH pilot group with meaningless concessions?

It appears to be nothing more than a spiteful attempt at avoiding integration, being spun as job protection.

What's even more fascinating is how you would want anyone to vote to join a group that is already signing off on concessions to a modern day Frank Lorenzo in the belief that doing so will save your airline.

FAPA is RPC...RPC is FAPA.

As is - IBT is RP, Shuttle & CHQ...RP, Shuttle and CHQ are IBT.

F9 pilots do not fit into that equation.

With RPC you can keep what currently works best for you as can we - ultimately building a bridge to start working together.

Excellent analogy. I have been doing research on Mr. Bedford and in my readings I have come to the conclusion that it appears that Mr. Bedford is a disingenuous person.

One might say it is not my business, but we are all in this together as airline pilots. One pilots' group decision could have an impact on the rest of us.

Good luck, Republic/Frontier, please make informative and carefully thought out choices. Your decision might not impact ALL-OF-US until three or four steps downline.

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Th $190 is made up of several parties, and each is contributing something in that ballpark. If they each say "our $15 million" won't break the deal, then why are they all doing it?

I'd agree to the concessions as soon as Bedford moves his hot wife and 8 kids to my trailer park.

Guess we'll see what kind of balls Frontier pilots have. I can understand wanting to make sure Bedford keeps his indoor basketball court and private pond.

If they all signed on first and included a requirement that you, too agree to concessions, maybe I'd understand. But why pilots first? And why the big rush to complete a vote?

Whenever I'm pushed to make a big decision quickly, i.e. a car salesman, I immediately know something's up and slow down and research more. I think there's a LOT more to this than meets the eye. I predict in 2012 we'll look back and sigh at the screw- job you guys got handed.

I hope I'm wrong.

Time constraints.

What difference does it make who goes first, as long as everyone participates?

What you guys seem to be missing is that ultimately, Frontier will fail. You can give up what little you have and prolong it for a few months, or you can go out with dignity and send a message to pricks like Bedford. (Like the Eastern guys did.)