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Yabadaba 11-03-2016 07:48 AM


Originally Posted by LivnthedrM (Post 2236905)
With an offer from Frontier, PSA, and Endeavor. Would those of you at Frontier recommend it over regionals?

It's all a crapshoot. I would take the one you don't have to commute for.

I have been at F9 for over a year and have no regrets. I do live in base. If I went to a regional because first year pay was 5-10k more I'm not sure if I would feel the same. We have issues here but if you come here and don't know what your getting into it's your own fault.

dutch rudder 11-03-2016 08:20 AM


Originally Posted by NWSteeringArmer (Post 2236939)
Allegiant's pay rates are decent... their contract is not... they routinely have guys on reserve until midnight, give them one day off, then put em back on reserve at 5am... they get a ton of single days off and from what I've seen of their schedules, most of our non vacation months are still better than their vacation months... I may be wrong about this, but I believe they have a credit cap too

Not entirely true. I probably had that RSV scenario twice. I wouldn’t call it routine unless you don’t know what you’re doing during a bid. Because of our PBS system, being Jr. and on RSV can be a drag. You will get all the junk that no one else wants. The contract limits the number of single solitary days off… at least 6 days off must be grouped together (2x3 days off, 3x2days off, 6 days off in a row, etc). So, in a month with minimum 12 days off, you could have 6 solitary days off.

But with a little seniority, things start working out real well. Nature of PBS… benefits the more senior guys, makes the jr. guys cry! F9 is line bidding, right? I have been here 1.5 years… My non-vacation month: 18 days off, 4 days off over Thanksgiving, 2 groups of three days off, 4 groups of two days off… I don’t work more than 2 days in a row. Vacation month: I worked 5 days.

Anyone considering a regional over F9, or any ULCC for the matter, is foolish. Especially with the timing of your negotiations! Hang in there boys; it will pay off. It got real hopeless here for a bit, so we understand. We are watching and hoping you get something awesome… more leverage for us next round ;)

LakeshoreFlyer 11-03-2016 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Leslie Chow (Post 2235577)
Annual Open Enrollment and the policies attached thereto are actually driven by federal law.

The law may allow a company to administer their open enrollment through 'active' participation, but law does not require it to be so. My two former companies rolled you over into your previous year options unless you choose to make different elections.

Triggs 11-03-2016 10:29 AM

Just got called for the phone interview yesterday after applying 6 months ago, and never updated, no job fair, no silver bullet. Company rep was upfront about the training contract, and wanted to make sure I was aware of first year pay. Also told me upgrade was 2 yr (didn't believe it), and offered me an interview in 2 weeks. Assuming worst case, (stagnation, and no contract for several years) it would take me to yr 6 FO just to get back to what I'm making now at a narrow body supplemental. I REALLY want to be able to get in on a good thing, but not sure I can endure the financial pain in the interim. The saying "if if's and but's were candy and nuts, we'd all be happy at Christmas" keeps popping into my head.

and FWIW: 9000+ TT, 1000 jet/650 pic, 5300TP pic

DrJekyll MrHyde 11-03-2016 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by LakeshoreFlyer (Post 2237258)
The law may allow a company to administer their open enrollment through 'active' participation, but law does not require it to be so. My two former companies rolled you over into your previous year options unless you choose to make different elections.

Precisely, it is entirely optional for the company. And it's not coincidence when large sums of money are involved - they're betting a small but significant amount of employees will forget to enroll. The same goes for the "working spouse surcharge," it is obvious they want your spouse off Frontier benefits plan BUT furthermore they're hoping you'll combine onto your spouse's plan at their company, relieving Frontier from sharing benefit costs for your family all together!
And they've made the decision easy for you, because our plans stink!

Flymonkey10 11-03-2016 11:08 AM

Yes...Thanks you!! They choose to make it active hoping someone will forget. But on the flip side, you can save money but giving them and the insurance company your health details (mark my word that will bite someone someday). And wow...what about that pet insurance?? Sweet!!!

Riverside 11-03-2016 02:56 PM


Originally Posted by Triggs (Post 2237291)
Just got called for the phone interview yesterday after applying 6 months ago, and never updated, no job fair, no silver bullet. Company rep was upfront about the training contract, and wanted to make sure I was aware of first year pay. Also told me upgrade was 2 yr (didn't believe it), and offered me an interview in 2 weeks. Assuming worst case, (stagnation, and no contract for several years) it would take me to yr 6 FO just to get back to what I'm making now at a narrow body supplemental. I REALLY want to be able to get in on a good thing, but not sure I can endure the financial pain in the interim. The saying "if if's and but's were candy and nuts, we'd all be happy at Christmas" keeps popping into my head.

and FWIW: 9000+ TT, 1000 jet/650 pic, 5300TP pic

With those flight hours and $38 bucks an hour. Yup do it.

A320ULCC 11-03-2016 03:37 PM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2237438)
With those flight hours and $38 bucks an hour. Yup do it.

Says the guy who counts his wife's income as his total pay.
Just think, after she leaves you for a Delta or Fedex pilot, you will be back to $66k, lol

Riverside 11-03-2016 04:57 PM


Originally Posted by A320ULCC (Post 2237453)
Says the guy who counts his wife's income as his total pay.
Just think, after she leaves you for a Delta or Fedex pilot, you will be back to $66k, lol

You're too easy gramps. Are you sad that your paycheck can't afford any divorced women?

Now back to embarrassing you.

Gave you two incomes examples not one.

You said I have a MBA. Nope I don't.

Shall I continue to make you look bad?

A320ULCC 11-03-2016 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Riverside (Post 2237510)
You're too easy gramps. Are you sad that your paycheck can't afford any divorced women?

Now back to embarrassing you.

Gave you two incomes examples not one.

You said I have a MBA. Nope I don't.

Shall I continue to make you look bad?

Gramps, lol. Sorry not old enough for that. Wasn't that interested in your "education" and misread one of your put down threads. You would think that with a masters, you would be doing better than your $66k especially in California. You still paying back those student loans or did mom and dad hand you it all?
Me embarrassed? You are too funny.


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