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KelvinHelmholtz 07-29-2021 12:45 PM


Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 3270746)
They were a disaster with Delta in NYC. Everyone called them no jet because they never seemed able to produce one.

Partially that was because they staffed the flying largely from a RDU outstation base. It wouldn’t surprise me if they tried the same thing just this time with RIC instead. GoJet didn’t make it long in NYC until they got transferred to doing pretty much only DTW ops, possibly the easiest hub in the Delta system. Similarly, Mesa/Freedom failed so hard in NYC they got their Delta operation moved to CVG until the lawsuit cancelling their CPA was complete.

It doesn’t seem like United has historically cared about customer service and experience on their regional product, but this seems to be changing. I give GoJet maybe 2 years tops in the NYC market this time

MrIncredible 07-29-2021 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3270762)
Partially that was because they staffed the flying largely from a RDU outstation base. It wouldn’t surprise me if they tried the same thing just this time with RIC instead. GoJet didn’t make it long in NYC until they got transferred to doing pretty much only DTW ops, possibly the easiest hub in the Delta system. Similarly, Mesa/Freedom failed so hard in NYC they got their Delta operation moved to CVG until the lawsuit cancelling their CPA was complete.

It doesn’t seem like United has historically cared about customer service and experience on their regional product, but this seems to be changing. I give GoJet maybe 2 years tops in the NYC market this time


Why would it be GoJets fault if it didn’t do well in the NYC market? United wants more 550 flying into EWR.

We just do what we’re told. United gives us a schedule, we fly it.

KelvinHelmholtz 07-29-2021 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3270810)
Why would it be GoJets fault if it didn’t do well in the NYC market? United wants more 550 flying into EWR.

We just do what we’re told. United gives us a schedule, we fly it.

Delta gave GoJet NYC flying. They did it so poorly that Delta transferred most of their operation to DTW. Their performance got better but not enough to prevent the entire CPA being cancelled.

There are regionals with a strong track record of success in NYC flying (see Endeavor and Republic). Trans States Holdings has never been successful here.

MrIncredible 07-29-2021 03:15 PM


Originally Posted by KelvinHelmholtz (Post 3270830)
Delta gave GoJet NYC flying. They did it so poorly that Delta transferred most of their operation to DTW. Their performance got better but not enough to prevent the entire CPA being cancelled.

There are regionals with a strong track record of success in NYC flying (see Endeavor and Republic). Trans States Holdings has never been successful here.

Okay that was Delta flying. United and Delta operate out of two completely different airports.

When we’re delayed out of EWR, it’s not our fault. It’s ATC.

United wants the 550 in EWR cause it’s premium market is bigger than ORD

Our on time performance is actually not that bad out of EWR with the one runway they’re using

sailingfun 07-30-2021 03:52 AM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3270810)
Why would it be GoJets fault if it didn’t do well in the NYC market? United wants more 550 flying into EWR.

We just do what we’re told. United gives us a schedule, we fly it.

Once your given a schedule the expectation is that you will actually show up with aircraft and fly that schedule. In the past GO jet has been unable to do that.

gojo 07-30-2021 05:31 AM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3270844)
Okay that was Delta flying. United and Delta operate out of two completely different airports.

When we’re delayed out of EWR, it’s not our fault. It’s ATC.

United wants the 550 in EWR cause it’s premium market is bigger than ORD

Our on time performance is actually not that bad out of EWR with the one runway they’re using

Really? There are many ways to incur a delay. And operating in the NE is challenging at times. GoJet didn’t handle it well before. Hopefully they’ve learned from their past experiences

ninerdriver 07-30-2021 12:55 PM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3270810)
Why would it be GoJets fault if it didn’t do well in the NYC market?

Because almost every other regional assigned to NYC doesn't fail in NYC.

Even OO almost got the hang of it. (Kidding! Kind of. They figured it out after they blew it with the O'Hare shuttle.)

core4isb2 07-30-2021 07:18 PM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3270731)
They’re still there. What did you need

He wants out of C5, that's what he wants!

brockenspectre 08-01-2021 09:07 AM


Originally Posted by ninerdriver (Post 3271239)
Because almost every other regional assigned to NYC doesn't fail in NYC.

Even OO almost got the hang of it. (Kidding! Kind of. They figured it out after they blew it with the O'Hare shuttle.)

Too bad you guys didn't have 175's to run those NYC runs as a stop gap until DL could get the 220's online. Easy cheap shot to make when you guys had no way to do it, when you probably should have. Once again, picking up the slack the other regionals cannot seem to handle.

gojo 08-01-2021 09:38 AM


Originally Posted by brockenspectre (Post 3271998)
Too bad you guys didn't have 175's to run those NYC runs as a stop gap until DL could get the 220's online. Easy cheap shot to make when you guys had no way to do it, when you probably should have. Once again, picking up the slack the other regionals cannot seem to handle.

Oh no, what happened here?😢

brockenspectre 08-01-2021 12:27 PM


Originally Posted by gojo (Post 3272015)
Oh no, what happened here?😢

Please, expand on where you are going with this comment.

MrIncredible 08-09-2021 07:51 AM

Reserve time for guys hired in April is now 1 month.

LazyEight 08-09-2021 09:49 AM

Used jacket/blazer
 
Hey guys! exgojeter here. Moved on about a yr ago and still have my old Captains Blazer (4 stripes) and Gibson & Barnes leather jacket. The blazer is in great condition and the jacket has a messed up zipper and the patches for both FO and Capt. Not sure how much theyre worth new but obviously ill give them way cheaper. PM me if interested!

Team Boeing 08-13-2021 09:19 PM

I have seen a few times the mention of the E-3 Visa being given out again. Any chance GoJet would hire Australian Pilots in the USA on the EB-3 for the green card to come in as a direct entry captain

MrIncredible 09-01-2021 12:42 PM

Makes you wonder if something is up at the company when they start offering 300% pay for open time pick up or picking up short call reserve with a minimum of 8 hour credit.

ElCaribe 09-01-2021 03:59 PM


Originally Posted by Team Boeing (Post 3279205)
I have seen a few times the mention of the E-3 Visa being given out again. Any chance GoJet would hire Australian Pilots in the USA on the EB-3 for the green card to come in as a direct entry captain

You will need 1000 hours of FAA part 121, or multi-turbine scheduled part 135, time as SIC to be eligible for any DEC position in the USA. I’m sure a lot of opportunities for visa sponsorship will be coming across the regional industry in the next couple years.

MrIncredible 09-02-2021 05:51 AM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3289039)
You will need 1000 hours of FAA part 121, or multi-turbine scheduled part 135, time as SIC to be eligible for any DEC position in the USA. I’m sure a lot of opportunities for visa sponsorship will be coming across the regional industry in the next couple years.

Actually I think the 135 time has to be PIC

threeighteen 09-02-2021 10:11 AM


Originally Posted by MrIncredible (Post 3289202)
Actually I think the 135 time has to be PIC

(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

tallpilot 09-02-2021 02:34 PM


Originally Posted by threeighteen (Post 3289369)
(1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

Most 135 jet operators are not 'commuters.' They are standard or basic.

HwkrPlt 09-02-2021 02:45 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3289482)
Most 135 jet operators are not 'commuters.' They are standard or basic.

But if you're flying a jet with ten or more seats it counts, right?

threeighteen 09-02-2021 03:01 PM


Originally Posted by tallpilot (Post 3289482)
Most 135 jet operators are not 'commuters.' They are standard or basic.

they don't have to be, just have to meet one of those stipulations, not all.

foxtroutuniform 09-02-2021 03:48 PM

Re
 
Kelly 2014 Legal Interpretation for those that are interested

CASApilot 09-02-2021 05:19 PM

Part 135 PIC in a turbojet counts. Doesn't matter if it'd a citation 1 or a g650.

ElCaribe 09-02-2021 05:42 PM


Originally Posted by HwkrPlt (Post 3289487)
But if you're flying a jet with ten or more seats it counts, right?

Commuter would be scheduled, and On Demand would be charter.

ElCaribe 09-02-2021 05:45 PM


Originally Posted by CASApilot (Post 3289582)
Part 135 PIC in a turbojet counts. Doesn't matter if it'd a citation 1 or a g650.

Doesn’t count unless it’s scheduled. Example: Contour, JSX.

On demand (charter): Netjets, XOJET, wheels up — do not count.

OscarRomeo 09-02-2021 06:03 PM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3289595)
Doesn’t count unless it’s scheduled. Example: Contour, JSX.

On demand (charter): Netjets, XOJET, wheels up — do not count.

Reference?

ElCaribe 09-02-2021 09:19 PM


Originally Posted by OscarRomeo (Post 3289602)
Reference?

FAR 121.436(3) and 135.243(a)(1)

OscarRomeo 09-03-2021 04:12 AM


Originally Posted by ElCaribe (Post 3289679)
FAR 121.436(3) and 135.243(a)(1)

Maybe the regs changed at some point, but it does not have to be scheduled ops unless it is a prop with less than 10 seats.

135.243(a)(1): Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger*seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

tonsterboy5 09-03-2021 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by OscarRomeo (Post 3289720)
Maybe the regs changed at some point, but it does not have to be scheduled ops unless it is a prop with less than 10 seats.

135.243(a)(1): Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger*seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

Commuter operation means any scheduled operation conducted by any person operating one of the following types of aircraft with a frequency of operations of at least five round trips per week on at least one route between two or more points according to the published flight schedules:

(1) Airplanes, other than turbojet-powered airplanes, having a maximum passenger-seat configuration of 9 seats or less, excluding each crewmember seat, and a maximum payload capacity of 7,500 pounds or less; or

(2) Rotorcraft.

Key is 10 seats or more in a jet or scheduled operation in all else

Regionalnewbie 09-20-2021 01:23 AM


Originally Posted by brockenspectre (Post 3268734)
You are the typical bottom feeder at the major level. Still the new guy who wants so bad to be accepted and wanted by his peers. But, when it is figured out they don't give a crap about you or your opinion, they hang out in the regional boards with drivel posts like this. You guys stick out like a sore thumb, and it is frankly really pathetic. You need to put your efforts into kissing ass, and doing coffee and food runs for your PIC. Oh, and also stepping up your game to impress people outside of your circle that you are a pilot at a major carrier.

You know you guys are made fun of by your peers don't you? If you haven't figured that out yet, you will eventually.

Im going to muse that Brockenspectre is Gabriel Wall from OO and also from Australia.

Claxstarr 09-20-2021 04:24 AM


Originally Posted by Regionalnewbie (Post 3297640)
Im going to muse that Brockenspectre is Gabriel Wall from OO and also from Australia.


That is oddly (and curiously) specific. [emoji848][emoji848]

BRJPilot 09-20-2021 10:08 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3289758)

Key is 10 seats or more in a jet or scheduled operation in all else

Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.

tonsterboy5 09-20-2021 10:53 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3297767)
Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.

how am I wrong?
has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.

135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

BRJPilot 09-20-2021 11:36 AM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3297783)
how am I wrong?
has 1,000 hours as second in command in operations under this part, pilot in command in operations under §91.1053(a)(2)(i) of this chapter, pilot in command in operations under §135.243(a)(1) of this chapter, or any combination thereof.”
p91.1053 is fractional and doesn’t apply and 135.243 clearly says 10 or more or commuter(scheduled) operations. The last bit about ATP states that if you are flying 10 or more, or scheduled you require an ATP which qualifies you fo fly pic with 10+ or commuter.

135.243 (a) (1) Of a turbojet airplane, of an airplane having a passenger-seat configuration, excluding each crewmember seat, of 10 seats or more, or of a multiengine airplane in a commuter operation as defined in part 119 of this chapter, unless that person holds an airline transport pilot certificate with appropriate category and class ratings and, if required, an appropriate type rating for that airplane.

You are wrong because there’s a comma after
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.

FlyGuy2021 09-20-2021 11:37 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3297767)
Incorrect! The jet time just needs to be 135 pax operations. Cargo doesn’t count. And the seat count doesn’t matter as long as it is in a jet.

Or Part 91k.

tonsterboy5 09-20-2021 11:43 AM


Originally Posted by BRJPilot (Post 3297797)
You are wrong because there’s a comma after
“(1) Of a turbojet airplane”. It’s a common misunderstanding. There is a memo from the FAA floating around that should provide some background and clear it up for you.

a, or, b, unless c. How the commas are used.

135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.

BRJPilot 09-20-2021 12:25 PM

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Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3297801)
a, or, b, unless c. How the commas are used.

135.243 c allows anyone to fly a jet without an ATP. Notice how 135.243c isn’t listed In part 121 pic requirements.

See the attached memo from FAA Legal.

TransWorld 09-20-2021 08:45 PM


Originally Posted by tonsterboy5 (Post 3297801)
How the commas are used.

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