GoJet Growth
 

As of the last employee call 550 conversions are restarting and it Sounds like GoJet is getting a total of 74 planes by end of 2021.



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74 additional planes added to the fleet?

74 total planes 38 on property now

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[Ron Burgundy] I don't believe you. [/Ron Burgundy]

Smartest move ever for GJ is to lease planes from Skywest. Skywest will keep GJ going to keep the lease payments coming in. Congratulations to both GJ and SW. SW the latest in leasing companies.

They are not very smart
 

If that is an incredible stroke of genius why did they not lease them from the start. We all know GJ is hanging on by a thread. I know for sure uncle Hulie will not take risks or stay in business if a solid profit plan can't be implemented. His model of operating a subpar airline on the cheap is dead. If he won't step up and run a first class business he is history. The big problem he has is current management is not very talented because he runs everything on the cheap, including his management salaries. He really does not have many choices. Not sure if he has anything left to sell now that he cashed out with jets. He is just setting up for an exit stage left when the day arrives. He is not stupid, on the contrary he is a very shrewd business man with an accounting background. He knows how to make money in a flourishing airline environment not a complete melt down where he has to fight to survive. He knows the airline industry will not recover back to precovid numbers for at least 5 years. That is assuming these vaccinations are effective for more than 4-6 months. Plus the risk of a severe depression are just one stimulus check away, our economy is in big trouble and Hulas knows it. Right now the long term risks are unknown so there are many risks involved for someone putting up their cash to play. He is not a risk taker, plus he is now in the twilight of his life so even less likely he will invest long term. None of his kids want the business, they just want the cash like selling jets. And lastly even United does not want to be associated with his business model of running a business that believes everything should be run as cheaply as possible making the customer experience less than favorable, that is putting it politely. He will bow out as soon as United allows him to. Sorry Gojetter's.

Then why is United giving Mesa so much business? Because they’re cheaper then everyone else. They’re operation is terrible. No offense to any Mesa pilots. If GoJet ceased operations it will be for a lot of other reasons.

They operation is terrible on the AA side. The UA side runs just fine.

Gojet is staying alive with the help of United and Skywest and the prospect of government pandemic money coming through. That money is basically pledged as collateral along with the planes. Assuming the money comes through there will be some maneuvering to get away from the money going to keep people employed and move it over to paying bills and transferring assets. In the end there will be a deal agreed to by everyone for the money to pay the bills, assets that were collateral transferred, and a number of employees going with the planes. I've been a part of 3 of these types of deals in the past. The first time almost 1000 pilots went with the planes, The next 2 were merely the guaranteed interviews. "The deal was not optimal and was not what anyone wanted, but given the economic constraints we all faced this deal provided the best opportunity going forward for all. XXX airline has committed to interviewing all Gojet employees over the next 24 month and to hire a minimum of YYY of those interviewed provided XXXX continues to hire. Everyone will have a chance with this agreement." Then there will be a line added, "The payment of ZZ million to HK and 75k per month until an update future date for his helping with the transition of assets is a standard in the Airline industry for this type of transitions. The US government gas agreed to the structuring of this deal even though the money was originally given to keep employees employed."

You had me until you got to the part about UA caring about passenger experience.

Making the customer experience as unfavorable as possible is basically the motto at UA. It's how they differentiate themselves from the competition. From the rampers to the agents to the overbooking to the crappy seats to the choice of most miserable planes with the most miserable interior configuration to the penny pinching with the apu to the snack/food options, UA is a legacy airline with a legacy route structure, and legacy overhead with the passenger experience of a startup ulcc.

UA: "you hate us, but you'll be back. either because we're the only option for your route or because you are a cheap sucker that can't resist taking the the 3% cheaper option"

So.......... were you turned down after an interview, or did you work for a regional that United cut their ties with? I’ve flown all over the world on every legacy airline we have, and based on my experience, United is just another big US airline. It’s no better or worse than American or Delta. Compared to riding on Emirates though, all of our airlines stink.

Keep thinking this. TSA had the same deal with Expressjet until United figured out the pilots hiring market was over and pulled the deal and TSA furloughed us all. There are thousands of pilots on the street right now that will jump at any job so the chances you will get any preferential deal as long as that exists are minimal. Good luck you're going to need it. Uncle Hulas will get his check and screw you in the end.

International is very different than domestic in regards to the US legacies.

There still isn’t a big difference domestically from what I’ve noticed. American, Delta, and United are just big cattle cars with a large route structure.

Not as a pilot it isn’t. Flying WB intl is a different airline than NB domestic.

I was replying to someone who was saying that United doesn’t care about the customer experience and how bad the product is. What pilots think about it wasn’t the issue. But to clear up your statement... yes, flying international and domestic are like two different airlines at every company. The QOL of a 777 pilot at any of the legacies will be about the same as the others. When comparing the product, the big three are about the same. When comparing being a pilot on similar equipment, again, about the same.

I misread your post then. Classic APC blunder. Yes, United’s product sucks.

They all stink, but since Delta has gotten rid of the bulk of their 50 seat jets and brought on the A220, I’d say that they have the best flavor crap of the big 3. United had the same opportunity to bring on another NB fleet type and free up approximately 70 more big rj’s, but unlike Delta, they chose not to exercise that option. Kirby said that the 50 seaters would most likely be a thing of the past after all of this, but I fully expect more of the same. He’d love to have what Delta does, but he’s not willing to do what they did to get it.

When you look at ticket prices, economy fares keep going down relative to inflation. I view a regular economy ticket on any legacy as flying on a LCC. Economy plus is what economy used to be. Business class/first is like a totally different airline.

That’s where the basic economy/economy plus seating came from. Part of coach is what it always was and now called economy plus, and the back is called basic economy with tight seating and a lower price to compete with the LCC’s.

I believe the Lady is thinking that Skywest will need some pilots who actually fly the 550 in order to make the transfer seamless. Maybe they don't, I don't know what it takes to go from flying a 700 to flying a 550, is it 2 days of training, a week? IOE or just a couple of landings? You are probably right and she is probably wrong.

It was not United that figured out the pilot hiring problem was over but Hulas who went back and showed United that they could renegotiate the deal so that TSA pilots would not have to go to ExpressJet but Expressjet could get pilots at year one captain pay instead of 5th year captain pay and save money each year for 15 years.

Is the 550 even needed now? I thought the 550
was United’s way of skimming through scope contract without technically violating it.

I assume the scope isn’t still being maxed out??

Also no IOE or landings for the 550, probably 1 day of ground and 1 simulator lesson. It’s nothing but a CRJ700 with 50 seats.

United really likes the 175’s, but that sized plane is scoped out. To get more 175’s, they had to either park, or convert the 700’s since they don’t want to add another NB fleet type. They know that the 145’s and 200’s are a poor product that generate the majority of the negative customer feedback. By converting the 700’s, United can replace those hulls with 70 seat 175’s, plus the resulting 50 seat product offers a dual class cabin that the premium customers wanted. From what I understand, UAX flying is currently maxed out due to the more restrictive rules that came with the LOA.

Sounds good, makes sense to me. Scope is probably being negotiated as we speak, 2021 will be an interesting year to say the least.

I have a better chance of my wife giving me a hall pass than Kirby does of getting any type of scope relief. As the 145’s and 200’s get older and more unpopular with our customers, he can either replace that lift with a new NB fleet and a few more 175’s, or replace that flying with the current fleet and and no additional 175’s. Its up to him now. Should be interesting.

Agree to disagree. United (granted I’m flying for FREE) was the worst. I’ll say it was a close tie to last place with American.

not counting the “seatbelts sold separately spirit”

I would not pay $20 to fly United. Delta was amazing, inflight entertainment, food, service. 12/10


The best airlines I zed on for international (top 3)

1. Qatar, worth the DOH layover. Amazing everything
2. Emirates
3. Turkish

Best International Airlines that don't treat their staff like crap,

Singapore Airlines, Eva Air, Japan Airlines/ANA, Lufthansa.

short list isn't it?

Go work for any of those airlines and you’d be begging to put up with the working conditions and pay of American, Delta, Southwest, United, FedEx, or UPS.

What are you on Hedley?

Those airlines I mentioned are well respected and treat their staff well. Pay at US Legacies may be higher but I am more talking of the experience of the passenger in flight. Emirates and Qatar have excellent service but treat staff poorly. My list have great service and treat their staff like humans.

The inflight service of American and United etc is appalling compared to other countries major airlines.

You’re right, the inflight service on every one of those airlines blows any US carrier away. There’s just no comparison. As far as being a pilot goes, I’d take any of the US big 3 over any of those that you listed, as a passenger, I’d buy a first class ticket on your list.

Chin up. Tired old mesa 700s coming your way sooner than later.

Are these planes going to sit? Are they behind in hiring/training? A conversion can’t take too long.

Last flight for them is Feb 11 for us. They are going to GoJet.

Will def be interesting with getting 20 new CRJ


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new isn’t an adjective I would use.

The good news is that you won’t have to spend a lot of money stripping paint.

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As my dad said when I got new clothes that were hand me downs, “They are new to you, so shut up and wear them.”

A few weeks back I saw about a dozen sitting in TUS by the old tower. Presumably waiting for the conversion. They looked old and tired, but hopefully find new life at G7. No clue how long it takes, but they seemed busy doing the conversions all summer.

when your new crj550 is altitude limited because of one pack being down. Or no apu in the summer make sure you tell your dad about it 😂