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Old 03-05-2008, 08:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing View Post
I said that I was done with this thread, but I guess some people can't leave well enough alone....

With a JD under your belt, surely you learned something about logical fallacies and syllogisms and how meaningless "overwhelming sentiment" is when evaluating an argument.

As for the rest of your comments, since you apparently missed these points the first time: I *am* a working pilot, I'm *not* working for a Pt 121 carrier, I *am* one of those seeking honest career info from this site. More relevantly, I'm not a mindless sheep and not interested in the slightest in having someone else tell me what to think--be it about GoJet or anything else--regardless of how many others on this site are of like mind on the subject. (Read up on "groupthink" sometime.)
Hey look at that, the Jury is back and has reached their verdict....... guilty of poor reasoning and lack of reading comprehension. When the argument is "is GoJet a good move or not?", the "overwhelming sentiment" is far from meaningless as those who possess it could quite possibly effect your career progression.

I was not telling you what to think, only the possible consequences of what you do think and the way you express it. Since you claim you are seeking flying career advise you would think that the opinion of a major airline pilot with 20 years flying experience, some of which had been spent in recruiting, would be of value to you. Instead you insult my intelligence.

You have succeeded in convincing me of one thing. Namely that the original version of my post, without the update qualifier, was more apropos.

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Old 03-05-2008, 11:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Blackwing View Post
I said that I was done with this thread, but I guess some people can't leave well enough alone....

With a JD under your belt, surely you learned something about logical fallacies and syllogisms and how meaningless "overwhelming sentiment" is when evaluating an argument.

As for the rest of your comments, since you apparently missed these points the first time: I *am* a working pilot, I'm *not* working for a Pt 121 carrier, I *am* one of those seeking honest career info from this site. More relevantly, I'm not a mindless sheep and not interested in the slightest in having someone else tell me what to think--be it about GoJet or anything else--regardless of how many others on this site are of like mind on the subject. (Read up on "groupthink" sometime.)
Good for you, now update your resume and go to Go Jet. You have a lot of experience with 500 hrs now, and shouldn't even be looking at a Regional, but instead should be left seat in a 747 with all of your experience in the aviation industry.

Just drop it
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Old 03-06-2008, 02:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH View Post
Whatever the QOL, work environment, etc. is at GoJet, one who chooses to work there must accept he will be considered a pariah (kinda like working for the IRS, you better be able to take the heat). If being an outcast and being called (by some) a scab is acceptable, feel free look into GJ. But if you don't want to be called names, you should consider looking elsewhere.
I will say it again: working for GoJet will make you a pariah with many people.


In every industry there is at least one company is which hated. Mining (one industry which has become many times safer due to unions) in just one example. There are still mom and pop mines which were grandfathered in and are not fully subject to current regulations or fair labor practices. While legal, those mines are cursed by modern mines with higher safety requirement and better labor rules.

(what I am about to say will p!ss many folks off)

If you just love to fly and have no regard for the industry, then go ahead and work for GoJet. Just remember, you will face the wrath of many others in the industry. GoJet, while not illegal or unsafe, is a step backward for labor, and you need to accept the consequences.
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Old 03-06-2008, 05:46 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH View Post
(what I am about to say will p!ss many folks off)

If you just love to fly and have no regard for the industry, then go ahead and work for GoJet. Just remember, you will face the wrath of many others in the industry. GoJet, while not illegal or unsafe, is a step backward for labor, and you need to accept the consequences.
Actually, I don't think you ****ed very many people off at all!
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Old 03-06-2008, 06:03 AM
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This guy sounds like a prime candidate for flamebait. This is like trying to explain to someone the evils of communism even though the person insists its the the only way to run a govt........on paper. Ignore all the overwhelming real world evidence that it is indeed the worst because you are too ignorant or stubborn to listen.
He seems to use alot of words that I'm sure he needed a thesaurus for since only folks with low self esteem seem to use them and no matter how much advice that he ASKED for on why not to go to G7, he ignores it. My question to all of you is this.......would you want someone with such a stubborn mentality sitting up front on a flight your family is on? Seems to be a CRM nightmare and thus a safety hazard.
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Old 03-06-2008, 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by WhizWheel View Post
This guy sounds like a prime candidate for flamebait. This is like trying to explain to someone the evils of communism even though the person insists its the the only way to run a govt........on paper. Ignore all the overwhelming real world evidence that it is indeed the worst because you are too ignorant or stubborn to listen.
He seems to use alot of words that I'm sure he needed a thesaurus for since only folks with low self esteem seem to use them and no matter how much advice that he ASKED for on why not to go to G7, he ignores it. My question to all of you is this.......would you want someone with such a stubborn mentality sitting up front on a flight your family is on? Seems to be a CRM nightmare and thus a safety hazard.
No! Not true. This guy is just like your buddy who is in love with a girl who treats him like crap. Telling him how dumb he is for dating her won't help. All we can do is keep reminding him about the time she slept with his brother, the quarterback, and the basketball team and hope he breaks up with her before he marries her.
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Old 03-06-2008, 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH View Post
No! Not true. This guy is just like your buddy who is in love with a girl who treats him like crap. Telling him how dumb he is for dating her won't help. All we can do is keep reminding him about the time she slept with his brother, the quarterback, and the basketball team and hope he breaks up with her before he marries her.
Pretty much exactly the same "beating your head against the wall" issue I was saying.
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by FlyJSH View Post
I will say it again: working for GoJet will make you a pariah with many people.
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=23188

Thread on GJ guys at FedEx/UPS, SWA. Though I don't agree, it is what it is. I don't think the folks in charge of hiring care these days where someone came from.
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Old 03-06-2008, 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Rook View Post
http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/sh...ad.php?t=23188

Thread on GJ guys at FedEx/UPS, SWA. Though I don't agree, it is what it is. I don't think the folks in charge of hiring care these days where someone came from.
Not yet. These guys hiring now don't know what G7 is. They didn't watch friends lose their jobs at TSH. When we get to that next step, you can bet that those numbers change dramatically - and not in favor of GoJet pilots.
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Originally Posted by Airwaves View Post
If anyone thinks md11phlyer is joking around, you're going to find out the hard way once you are online, and you get denied a jumpseat solely based on who your employer is.
I find the F/C seats to be more comfortable myself .


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