unacceptable reasoning. that's the same reason scabs cross the picket line and screw everyone else.

I do agree with you that mainline doesnt know who Gojet is, but I disagree with your advice. You shouldnt be telling people to go there, especially with THAT statement from your quote above.

I'm talking out of my @ss...disregard. Anyone have the number for Alcoholics Anonymous?

GO! is owned by Mesa, totally different than GoJet owned by Trans States Holdings.

Freighcowboy, there are 1029928282 things we can do in life to make money that have nothing to do with screwing fellow professionals. There is life outside of aviation. I don't buy that "I have to put groceries on the table" BS. I'll go work at Target before I lower the profession by working for them. I can also assure you that there are many pilots living in St. Louis that commute rather than working for those scumbags. I'm one of them.

[quote=Spaceman Spliff;386344]I can guarantee that after Aloha, the mainlines knows who Gojets is.

Are you confusing Go! with GoJets? Not the same airline. Perhap those of you with all of this great advice and wisdom need some education.;)

GoJets and GO! airlines are two different carriers altogether. GO! airlines in Hawaii is owned by MAG. And Aloha was in bad shape before GO! airlines ever went in to Hawaii!

Aloha may not have been in great shape before MAG but MAG's cuthroat bull**** tactics just kicked it in the balls. That's ok...Johnny wil get his in the end.

The Goj
 

Gojet pilots are smelly

What a great thread...

Go!....Gojets...what's the difference, don't they both suck?:rolleyes:

There may be a special place in hell for him, but he's living the good life ($$$) while on Earth...

ding ding ding!

actually ended up giving him a ride to work one morning. didn't know he was there till he said hi in ORD just before getting off the plane.

Not defending anyone here but Soldierboy is active duty Army in Korea, not a Gojetter. He wants to get into flying commercially and I'm sure he'd like to fly for anyone just to get his foot in the door and fly. I'm sure he asked the question because Gojet hasn't been mentioned for some time now and he probably thought things may have improved with the airline. I can somewhat understand his position, I'm active duty Air Force, and want to make commercial aviation a second career after I retire in just over a year, just like Soldierboy.

KC135guy

So when MAG does it, its bull poop, but when SWA does it its "business."

Read: DEN.

FWIW, I like SWA. It's a dog eat dog world out there, and competition is a b!tch.

It's just a little bit different...SWA is arguably the most well-paying carrier out there (and driving 73's!). Mesa and Go! are far from anything respectable.

I can appreciate everyone's comments but however...I want to empathize that

what TSA did was complete crap!!!!!!!!!!! However, I agree, there are unlimited things outside of aviation and I do hope someone can make more if going that direction......the paying the bills statement doesn't apply to everyone, but some do.....most responses were from an individual position.....

one commented going to work for "target"....I must ask you will that support your bills...if you were to get into a management position or supervisor position sure.....I hope you never come across that decision or anyone for that matter!!!! If you do, what would you do??? I hope what ever you do you make enough to support expenses or more.

In 10 years is anyone gonna care or are you as a "pilot group" gonna worry about retirement fundings, you're house, wife's needs, and your children's graduation......at that point what's more important??? Maybe some of you are at the point and can handle all of that and keep a piece of mind...if thats the case ur mind is made up and I hope for the best to your future.

I won't address the scab statement again....if a strike where to happen at TSA and Go Jet pilots crossed I will recant my statement...but I would think they would know better....but this can happen to any airline!!!!

Would I do it.....NO!!! nothing is solved without union ship...no I'm not a big supporter of ALPA...I would be if their interests were stronger for the "pilot group" instead of their own personal gain...my opinion....I hope the USAIR vote gets ALPA's attention and quit the talking and start doing some action...we as a pilot group I feel have done their job its time for them to do their's!!!!!!

My point is I hope if some better regional were to come along go for that job.
However...Go Jets isn't going away and we need accept it just like anything has happened all we can do is start focusing on bigger issues and get our quality of life and pay back to where it should be!!!!

Management, loves this fighting, cause nothing gets solved and they pull our strings at their will....we need to....stop the fighting....and everyone from CAL, DAL, MESA, XJT, and even Go Jets stand together and express our frustration at management and applicable unions...we've been patient but we've run out..and now we want to be payed what we are worth...talk is cheap I know....but if everyone keeps fighting this will always seem like a lost battle.....now what's more important???? The short sighted version...hate Go Jets...or the long version...pay, qol, retirement, and supporting my family....no pun intended....but really what's more important???

Safe flying to all,
Freightcowboy

My comment about target is pretty easy.

Gojet first year pay is $23 an hour according to this site. Average 80 hours per month and you have a salary of $22,080.

Make $9 an hour at Target (starting pay), you're going to make about $19k. By the time you're promoted to some sort of assistant manager roll, which happens pretty quick if you're a hard worker and you'll quickly be making more than you would at GoJet and you didn't step on the backs of everybody.

People still remember the UAL and CAL strikes from years ago. In 10 years the majors will be made up almost entirely of guys that were at the regionals when they did what they did. Will people remember? You bet. I'll be leading the charge to remind people.

You beat the drum about moving on and improving the quality of life is a bigger issue. What you're not understanding is that GoJet is at the CORE of this very quality of life issue you speak of. Every clown that goes there and accepts a below average contract, signed much more recently than the majority of the regionals out there (many of which are on concessionary contracts signed right after 9/11 or a Ch. 11 filing) are destroying our ability to improve our lives.

You want unity? You want better quality of life? Start by educating the self-serving bastards that are going to places like GoJet looking for the fast/easy route. Mesa is losing flying because they can't staff jets. If enough people like Solidierboy learn about GoJet and avoid scumbag operators like this who compensate their employees below industry standard and operate on the cheap we'll start seeing improvements.

Pilotpip,

You're a respectable man, and I appreciate your comments....safe flying to you and everyone.......I do have different views.........you make some excellent points...I could go ahead and address this further....but I'll leave it at that I think you and I could go round and round expressing different views/or angles of this thread but I'm not gonna hijack it.....and you sir, have a good night and again safe flying to you and all!!!

Freightcowboy

Thats great, just think long and hard before making a decision to go to GoJet.

So its preditory pricing if you only pay regional wages, and "business as usual" when you pay 50% more than everyone else?

That's like saying the children of the wealthy (and their parents for that matter) deserve preferential treatment from the courts. Oh wait, that happens.

I don't follow your logic.

The difference is that SWA does it with a CEO that creates an environment that is worker friendly, respectable and makes many WANT to work there. Mr Ornstool does it by going out of his way to screw his employees, creating a hostile work environment, establishing a reputation that Mesa is a terrible place to work and conducting business in a constant unethical manner. If you cant see that then keep drinkin' the Kool Aid. Make Jim Jones proud.

Dont you think that the people who work at Mesa know this better than anyone else! Paxhauler isnt defending MAGs ceo, he's defending himself and the others who work at MAG. We would like nothing better than to see OJ go away. When you feel that you are constantly put down by some on this board it is a natural reaction to defend yourself and co workers. Do most people on this board even know why MAG has a substandard contract. Its called Freedom. It was originally created to force Mesa pilots accept a bad contract. Mesa pilots didnt bite. So OJ had all new CRJ 9 and 7 deliveries put on the Freedom cert. Thats why alot of the original 900's N # end in FJ, Freedom jet. Some now call them *******ing jets. These pilots had little choice, thier jobs were being taken from them by the freedom alisters. The only good thing we got out of that contract was a merging of the pilots list so that some retibution could be paid. Now were in negotiations for a new contract but with state of MAG and the industry as a whole who knows whats going to happen!

Thanks for the lesson but I'm well aware of the whole Freedom A whipsaw being a former Freedom B.

If you worked there then why all the hate for Mesa people. There are people there who are really trying make things better. Hopefully JO will be gone soon. The only sad thing is that when things seem to be darkest for MAG is when OJ seems to pull a miracle out of his A**! MAG BOD do us all a favor, employees, pax, and shareholders, get rid of him!!!!!!!!!

Where did I anywhere in any of my posts say I had a hate for Mesa pilots? I wish the best for them all but I take issue with posts such as paxhauler that don't see a difference between SWA and MAG. As a matter of fact in other posts I've wished Mesa pilots, ALL Mesa pilots well.

SWA provides a product that travelers seem to prefer, and they take better care of their employees than any other US pax hauler...if they compete and win with that formula, it's hard to knock 'em. This is still America after all...you're SUPPOSED to win.

MAG "wins" by cheating...

Apparently they stole HA's business plans.

They don't adhere to their labor contracts.

They apparently don't comply with their business contracts either, at least as far as DAL is concerned.

They don't respect the human dignity of their employees.

Etc, Etc.

Appreciate the well wishes. Im sure he see's the difference between MAG and SWA. Im not saying you have personally but when people post that they hope MAG goes away we take that personally. You know this is our livelyhood. A lot of people say well get another flying gig, we all know that is easier said than done. With the way thing are in the industry I dont think it would be a good thing to be airline hopping. If and when MAG goes away I want people to post on this board how much better thier pay, QOL, and schedules have become. We all know someone is waiting in the shadows to underbid contracts so that they can get the flying!

The hardest part of it for me is why go to an airline with a reputation like that? Why subject yourself to really lousy management, lousy contracts, and a company with a history of unethical business decisions? We all gamble in this industry, but that is a big risk that seems to have no opportunity for reward.

Off the Mesa topic, back to gojets....

I did in fact hunt down some gojet pilots today and it was quite a fun break in my 8 hours of sitting around the airport doing nothing. At first I thought I wasn't going to be able to find any because I didn't want to stare at ID badges for too long. But after awhile of wandering around and getting bored I realized I didn't care so I just stared. I saw 5 gj pilots total. It's amazing how well they blend in. And after pilot watching for an afternoon I have a few observations:

1. Pilots look tired a lot. Like about half of all the pilots I saw today looked like they were two seconds from sleeping.

2. American Eagle seems to have more girls than the other regionals.

3. And finally I'm sorry if you were in ORD today and wondered why the blond pilot was staring at your uniform so hard. Or if you thought I was checking you out. I was just trying to see if you worked for gojets.

Oh, and I didn't see any with their badges in their pockets.

I understand what your saying! I think a lot of people go to work for whoever comes calling first. You here things but you always wonder are they true. Truth is until I was in this business I didnt know forums like this existed. And with all the wild rumors posted here I still have to try and decipher truth from fiction. I go to work, try and keep a good attitude, and try to help make things a little better for my coworkers. And hope our BOD grows a set and does the right thing!

I once had to DHD on GoJets from ORD to PWM. At the time I didnt know the story of GoJets. When I preboarded and went up to the cockpit to say hi the pilots looked genuinely freaked out that I came up front to talk!

Buddy, I also haven't said that I "hope MAG goes away". If you feel the need to put words in my mouth then this debate will remain pedestrian. Guess what, I was MAG and I got another flying gig....so did 100 pilots a month from MAG. I find that excuse to be weak. Is it easy? No. Is it even harder now? Yes, absolutely. I take issue with the victim mentality that "oh poor is me, I work for MAG and when it is no longer I can't find a flying job". Nobody put a gun to your head and told you you have to work at MAG. Just as nobody put a gun to MY head. I worked there, educated myself on why I shouldn't be there and at the first opportunity I moved on. If you feel picked on, TOUGH. Man up and leave.

Slow it down scooter. I don't drink anything besides whiskey.

I clearly see the difference in airlines, but a tiny part of me thinks there wasn't as much foul play in HI as everyone said. I think Aloha was struggling to begin with (before JO even knew where HI was), and its been convenient to place the blame on us since they've gone under. I am by no means saying we didn't have a hand in Aloha's failure, but I find it hard to believe our 5 CRJ's brought down an entire airline.

I was simply making an arguement that this is a tough industry, and the competition (now more than ever as we all struggle to make money) is fierce.

Hey Skippy, Im not your Buddy. Your either really angry :mad:, or really drunk:confused:! Reread the third line in the post, oh wait I'll put it here for you in hopes that you wont get to confused, ready here it is, "Im not saying you have personally but when people post that they hope MAG goes away we take that personally". Get the picture, understand? Dont put words in my mouth, have you heard me complain about taking a job with MAG? NO! I dont have the victim mentality, Ill work to try and actually make things better until I leave. When Im ready to leave I will do so.

Oops. Not too sure what I was thinking.

I think the best part of reading through the "GoJet pilots are scabs and need to burn in hell" topics, are the replies that start with "One time I had to deadhead on those guys cause it was my only option, and OMG I hate those scabs!!!111!!". Its funny how people who wouldn't work for them and can't stand anything that has to do with them will use them for a free flight home. I personally wouldn't be using GoJet for anything if I had even an ounce of the hatred that is typed out here. Just my 2 cents. This reply isn't about anyone on this thread personally, just an observation of what I've read over the past couple months.

Some of us don't have a choice but to deadhead on them. The company schedules you, and you don't get to say "No". So you're forced to sit there and wait for the dumbasses to fly you into a mountain.

I know it says new hire...but ask someone who has seen a jet what the word "DEADHEAD" means. It is not the same as jumpseating. Get a clue.

If they're my only option for a jumpseat, I'm either waiting for another flight or driving. I'll never ask those jerks for a ride.

I think judge Faris and the U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Hawaii might have a slightly differing opinion as this. It was HAL, not Aloha, that put forth the lawsuit and won. Aloha's suit is still pending.

Easy there super pilot. Your right, your NOT my buddy and I'm neither angry nor drunk. Perhaps I missed the minutia in your post about how it wasn't directed to me.......my bad. As far as I can see its a select few on here who wish MAG would go away and the majority feel as I do that there is no ill will towards the pilots but would like to see OJ rot in a Chinese prison cell.