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Originally Posted by propjet38
(Post 388494)
I I really think that most of the problem stems from that most of the pilots getting hired into the regionals don't have any formal education and bring that high school mentality into the industry.
Not sure where you are coming up with this. Yes there are some folks at the regionals who went from high school to airline...but the vast majority of regional pilots (myself included) that I know and have flown with are college graduates trying to make it to a major. |
I dont think this is just a regional thing. Look at how the East and West pilots of US Airways are treating each other. Ive seen the term scab thrown out on more than one occasion here on these boards. Its ugly over there!!!!!!!!!
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Yeah, must be easy to call such things "High school" like and childish when those scumbags aren't taking money out of YOUR pocket or food out of YOUR kids' mouths...
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Yeah just like those scumbags......
I would aslo bet that you feel the same way because it is just like TSA taking flying away from Eagle. |
Originally Posted by propjet38
(Post 388741)
Yeah just like those scumbags......
I would aslo bet that you feel the same way because it is just like TSA taking flying away from Eagle. Yeah, except Gojets was created specifically to avoid negotiating with the TSA pilot group. It's an alter-ego airline owned by the same person that owns TSA and is being used against TSA pilots. Whereas the TSA/Eagle thing was a transfer of flying worked out between the managements of two separate companies. Not even close to the same thing, sorry... |
Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 388819)
Yeah, except Gojets was created specifically to avoid negotiating with the TSA pilot group. It's an alter-ego airline owned by the same person that owns TSA and is being used against TSA pilots. Whereas the TSA/Eagle thing was a transfer of flying worked out between the managements of two separate companies. Not even close to the same thing, sorry...
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Originally Posted by propjet38
(Post 388839)
I don't know why I really care about this topic other than it chaps my A** seing pilots treat fellow pilots this way but....... Again there wasn't an avoidance of negotiation ALPA refused I think three times. In some aspect I can see an alter ego airline but still after what actually happend verses what some TSA or Go Jet guy says.... I guess than it is like american and eagle two separate companies owned by one company......
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Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 388819)
Yeah, except Gojets was created specifically to avoid negotiating with the TSA pilot group. It's an alter-ego airline owned by the same person that owns TSA and is being used against TSA pilots. Whereas the TSA/Eagle thing was a transfer of flying worked out between the managements of two separate companies. Not even close to the same thing, sorry...
For a reality check, I'd suggest requesting a jumpseat on Eagle, or perhaps chatting with an Eagle crew next time you're in RDU or wherever, and I'm sure you'll be welcome. Yeah, sure. |
Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
(Post 389096)
Yeah right. Perhaps in your own mind it's not even close to the same thing. You can tell that to yourself all you want if it helps you to sleep better at night.
For a reality check, I'd suggest requesting a jumpseat on Eagle, or perhaps chatting with an Eagle crew next time you're in RDU or wherever, and I'm sure you'll be welcome. Yeah, sure. |
Originally Posted by IQuitEagle
(Post 389096)
For a reality check, I'd suggest requesting a jumpseat on Eagle, or perhaps chatting with an Eagle crew next time you're in RDU or wherever, and I'm sure you'll be welcome. Yeah, sure. |
as bad as gojet is from the postings I read,I dont hear any financial issues or pilot. A classic example of nice guys always finish last
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Originally Posted by propjet38
(Post 388494)
I have been in the airline industry for 19 years currently flying an Airbus, and have seen the regional airlines become nothing more than a sad life version of high school. I have many friends that work for basically across the board from Mesa, Republic, Eagle, Compass, TSA, and Go Jet. I really think that most of the problem stems from that most of the pilots getting hired into the regionals don't have any formal education and bring that high school mentality into the industry. Go Jet..... well so people don't or say they don't like them but the truth is that in all honesty nobody knows why they don't, other than that is what they have been told. THINK FOR YOUR SELF. If you were not at TSA when the whole thing started move on with your life, because I can bet you really don't know the whole story. I am not defending but explaining that TSA was created and Eagle pilots hated TSA and for the most part STILL DO! I love the ALTER EAGLE stickers and then TSA stole that idea and made ALTER EGO JET stickers. But ALPA is really what screwed TSA over. REMEMBER GENTS HE WHO HAS THE MONEY MAKES THE RULES. Hulas had a business deal to make and he did, fact of life move on. There was a law suit against Go Jet by TSA and then the other way around, when it went to court the ruling was; Go Jet is not an alter ego airline, no picket line was crossed so pilot are not scabs (by the way most of the young pups out there throw around the word SCAB and don't know what it really means well...) and that it is a legal company. I know, I know... supporting Go Jet is bad. Really to me they are just another regional the same as as any one else. As for the badge thing really? I have mine on a lanyard sometimes and that thing is front wards and backwards and for the uniforms they look like all united express pilots, give me a break and go take up golfing or something.
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Originally Posted by meeko031
(Post 389514)
as bad as gojet is from the postings I read,I dont hear any financial issues or pilot. A classic example of nice guys always finish last
On the other post....yep, eagle pilots were / are a little ticked at TSA doing American flying...but you also have to remember, TSA wasn't built to cater to american...think we had planes with a little TWE on the back of them long before american did it's "merger" with Trans World. |
ebl14. That was one completely sick post ::shudders:: really can't comment any more than that.
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the other day I was on my home from an interview and talking to my friend on the phone about it and a gojet recruiter that was jumpseating approached me later. Asking me if I wanted to be an airline pilot and handed me his card. It was quite hard to not laugh in his face. I would rather continue as an instructor than go to BlowJet!
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Originally Posted by fjetter
(Post 389689)
the other day I was on my home from an interview and talking to my friend on the phone about it and a gojet recruiter that was jumpseating approached me later. Asking me if I wanted to be an airline pilot and handed me his card. It was quite hard to not laugh in his face. I would rather continue as an instructor than go to BlowJet!
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This is a portion of an email from my union.
The MEC passed a resolution that would give other ALPA carriers preference over non-ALPA carriers with respect to the physical jumpseat on Mesaba aircraft. The MEC also passed a resolution excluding GoJets pilots from the list of offline carriers approved to ride our jumpseat. Take it as it is, by the way lightspeeder or whatever his name is works at XJ, so jetjock and the rest who jumped on him...well i dont want the moderators whining at me again..... |
Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 388915)
What ALPA refused was to fly 70 seat jets at 50 seat rates.
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Originally Posted by BURflyer
(Post 389736)
Is that why gojet was created? They're not being paid 50 seat rates now are they?
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Originally Posted by TBucket
(Post 389743)
According to this website, first/second year FO's get $23/$34 an hour at Expressjet to fly the 145... At HoJet, their first/second year FO's get $23/$30 an hour to fly the -700. Sounds like 70 seat flying at 50 seat pay to me...
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Originally Posted by fjetter
(Post 389689)
the other day I was on my home from an interview and talking to my friend on the phone about it and a gojet recruiter that was jumpseating approached me later. Asking me if I wanted to be an airline pilot and handed me his card. It was quite hard to not laugh in his face. I would rather continue as an instructor than go to BlowJet!
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Contract yourself as an Instructor making $40K/yr to train foreigners before you take a job at G7. That is a no-brainer!
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Originally Posted by FOblondie
(Post 386703)
Off the Mesa topic, back to gojets....
I did in fact hunt down some gojet pilots today and it was quite a fun break in my 8 hours of sitting around the airport doing nothing. At first I thought I wasn't going to be able to find any because I didn't want to stare at ID badges for too long. But after awhile of wandering around and getting bored I realized I didn't care so I just stared. I saw 5 gj pilots total. It's amazing how well they blend in. And after pilot watching for an afternoon I have a few observations: 1. Pilots look tired a lot. Like about half of all the pilots I saw today looked like they were two seconds from sleeping. 2. American Eagle seems to have more girls than the other regionals. 3. And finally I'm sorry if you were in ORD today and wondered why the blond pilot was staring at your uniform so hard. Or if you thought I was checking you out. I was just trying to see if you worked for gojets. Oh, and I didn't see any with their badges in their pockets. Oh, and GJ can suck it. |
Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 389870)
Contract yourself as an Instructor making $40K/yr to train foreigners before you take a job at G7. That is a no-brainer!
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Originally Posted by fit29
(Post 389997)
That is untill you get students who cant understand even the basic level english and go up instead of down.......
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 389870)
Contract yourself as an Instructor making $40K/yr to train foreigners before you take a job at G7. That is a no-brainer!
How many pilots have been out on the streets from 1. ATA 2. EOS 3. Maxjet 4. Skybus 5. Champion 6. Aloha 7. Big Sky 8. Skyway How Much May be out on the Streets from 9. Mesa 10. Express Jet 11. Midwest 12. USA 3000 13. Continental rumour of a a reduction bid Now the Question is how many of the above will be willing to work at Gojets or Instruct now remember not all of the above are even current at Flight Instructor |
My post was aimed primarily at those looking to get into the Airlines eventually...
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Originally Posted by ExperimentalAB
(Post 390026)
My post was aimed primarily at those looking to get into the Airlines eventually...
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Originally Posted by Blkflyer
(Post 390031)
I stand corrected Experimental
Those CFI's today, while not having the luxury of a quick "upgrade" into an RJ, have something that most of us never did instead - an excellent short-term market that allows your CFI skills to pay big bucks. Use it to your advantage! |
Originally Posted by SharkyBN584
(Post 389909)
I wish I had been in ORD that day and known about this little adventure. I would have just turned my ID around and tried to explain to the captain why there was a blond FO stalking us through the food court and hiding behind a trashcan while we ate lunch.
Oh, and GJ can suck it. |
Originally Posted by FOblondie
(Post 390159)
I think next time I do it I'm going to wear a trenchcoat and those glasses with the nose and mustache. I'd like to blend in.
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Originally Posted by Wildflyin
(Post 388503)
Finally....watching these arguments is exactly like watching a high school group decide who to exclude. Most of the biggest flamers appear to be FO's too (I know there are a few captains who posted on this as well...). As for making it a point to harass these GoJet pilots, I think that's a pretty stupid idea. He/She is not going to be at GoJet forever and maybe one day when you need a ride to work this pilot, now working for another airline, is going to remember the day you decided to give them problems, and you'll find yourself standing at the gate trying to figure out how to get to work that day. Or maybe they'll be the bigger person and take you anyway. Either way, the attitudes I've seen on here are definitely reminiscent of high school, something I never thought to see in the professional world...but who knows maybe it's the norm and the military spoiled me...
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I think that I am now dumber for actually skimming though this post... I once flew a F-100 from ORD to ROC ALB etc for $70+/hr as a FO. Now FO's on RJ's are flying it for $22. GoJet Mesa AE TSA CHQ or GOD knows who... you are all the same.
ExperimentalAB...***?! Do you have a life of any type? You have been btching on this board for like 5+ frick'n days now! Get a girlfriend, a hobby; a dog, something and may GOD have mercy on your soul.... Life is short! WHAT A WASTE OF LIFE AND TIME! |
Originally Posted by JiffyLube
(Post 390195)
I think that I am now dumber for actually skimming though this post... I once flew a F-100 from ORD to ROC ALB etc for $70+/hr as a FO. Now FO's on RJ's are flying it for $22. GoJet Mesa AE TSA CHQ or GOD knows who... you are all the same.
ExperimentalAB...***?! Do you have a life of any type? You have been btching on this board for like 5+ frick'n days now! Get a girlfriend, a hobby; a dog, something and may GOD have mercy on your soul.... Life is short! WHAT A WASTE OF LIFE AND TIME! Jiffy though I agree with you Must say I BLAME ALPA for that. Had Mainline Guys held their Ground and insisted that the RJs be at Mainline we may not be were we are Today. |
The "experienced" guys (I prefer "old") that are talking down to all the young FO's are pretty much exactly what is wrong with this industry. Your generation has done more to screw the upcoming generation of pilots and pull the ladder up behind you then any generation in the history of the planet; and nowhere is it more obvious than in aviation. The reason some of those guys make $23 an hour is because you were happy giving up your scope and letting an outside company fly YOUR mainline routes so you could keep a few extra dollars for a few extra years. Management ran over you guys in the 90's and you didn't even know it. You all thought you were hot sh!t because you were making $300 an hour. The biggest retard in the world could have told you 1 bankruptcy would take care of all that. Of course, no airlines EVER go into bankruptcy. So I'd leave the whole GJ thing to us now. This generation seems to be the one that cares about what happens after we leave. It's like some of those guys said, most Legacy guys don't even know who GJ is...but God forbid you wear your ALPA laynard on an Airways flight :rolleyes: WORTHLESS!
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The reason some of those guys make $23 an hour is because you were happy giving up your scope and letting an outside company fly YOUR mainline routes.
You are WAY, WAY, WAY off on that one. The ONLY reason those guys are making 23 dollars an hour are because they TOOK the job getting paid 23 dollars an hour. You cannot AGREE to work for someone for 23 dollars an hour and then now say you wanna burn the place down because they pay you 23 dollars an hour. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Quit your crying, *****ing, moaning and complaining and let your feet do your talking. That is the only thing that will fix the mess that YOU have created. |
Originally Posted by denvrpilot
(Post 390404)
The reason some of those guys make $23 an hour is because you were happy giving up your scope and letting an outside company fly YOUR mainline routes.
You are WAY, WAY, WAY off on that one. The ONLY reason those guys are making 23 dollars an hour are because they TOOK the job getting paid 23 dollars an hour. You cannot AGREE to work for someone for 23 dollars an hour and then now say you wanna burn the place down because they pay you 23 dollars an hour. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Quit your crying, *****ing, moaning and complaining and let your feet do your talking. That is the only thing that will fix the mess that YOU have created. |
Well, there is a point here. The companies pay $23/hour and they are fat on pilots. Obviously, we are willing to work for cheap. The problem is that we all love to fly and do it because we want to. Sure, we get into it and forget about that and say we deserve the best pay, QOL - which we do because it is a JJJJOOOOOBBBBB none-the-less. I mean, damn, a rock star probably loves his job, playing guitar, tappin the chicks, and he still gets paid. But the "Living the Dream" bull shiit, and "I always wanted to fly" crap is what causes these companies to get away with this.
GJ, is no exception. The company says, "Hey, lets fly 70 seaters", AA says "No", so TSA creates an alter ego. TSA says "you guys can fly 'em at cheap ass pay", TSA pilots say "No", (some didn't - Bravo to those that did, they are the ones who will be appreciated if we ever win this industry wide battle), and guess what.... fast forwarding back to the present time, you have plenty of people working at GJ. They came from somewhere. Most of them know the story behind it too. They want to "Live the Dream", have a quick upgrade, etc, so off they go with their cheeks spread wide (I am not talking about a smile, either). |
Originally Posted by JiffyLube
(Post 390195)
GoJet Mesa AE TSA CHQ or GOD knows who... you are all the same.
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Originally Posted by denvrpilot
(Post 390404)
You are WAY, WAY, WAY off on that one. The ONLY reason those guys are making 23 dollars an hour are because they TOOK the job getting paid 23 dollars an hour.
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