Emb170man

Spoken like a Go-Jetter.

Positive_Rate

When you've lost a quicker upgrade and better pay because of those scum...come talk to me.

JetPilotMike

Who we talkin about here? RAH? I'm getting furloughed because of all those "Guppy Killers." Or maybe what RAH has done to Comair...ASA...? When you make that statement you have to be more specific, because I can point to a bunch of "scum" that wrecked this industry.

TBucket

No, he's not talking about people getting furloughed because a pilot group gave up scope, or even because a codeshare reassigned flying to another company. He's talking about when your own company creates a completely NEW airline to take flying that was yours. (Except, when you tried to raise the bar, they went and started a new airline staffed with pseudo-scabs)...

Foxcow

I was in CLT a few days ago waiting for my own flight and saw a g0jetter get left behind on two flights even though there was space.

250 or point 65

People with 2 and 3 degrees are having problems finding the work that they want. It is not that hard to find a job that pays as good if not better than GoJet...that's what we're comparing to

TBucket

Ah, stories like that warm my heart. Hope the guy is still there looking wistfully out the terminal windows at departing planes.

Beagle Pilot

There's no such thing as a recruitment ban just as there is no such thing as a list of scabs from Eastern, Continental and other airlines. The fact several of the pilots who would qualify to be on such a list have or had trouble being hired is completely coincidental.

JetPilotMike

All I know is that in the 6 months since I found out I was getting furloughed from UAL I have not had one Captain discourage me from attempting to go to GoJet. Since Tilton and Co are hell bent on expanding the regionals (while every other airline is shrinking them) most UAL pilots would rather see a furloughed UAL pilot flying those planes than anyone else, as they should have been from the start.

Beagle Pilot

Hmmm....this doesn't exactly jive with daretoaviate's statement lambasting regional pilots as the scourge of the industry.

Additionally, this brings up the old argument of "I'll stand up for my convictions right up until it interfers with feeding my family". Frankly, in your case, it shouldn't interfer with your "job opportunities" as long as you have a recall option at United.

OTOH, the irony is exquisite. If daretoaviate is correct then it follows: The regional pilots are dragging down the industry which forces the legacies to furlough pilots who become regional pilots who drag down the industry which forces the legacies to furlough pilots who....well, you see how it goes.

All in all I see most of this thread as fixing the blame instead of fixing the problem. The legacies gave up on scope to make more money. They refused to take the regional pilots as brethren to protect against further scope erosion. In fact, they did the opposite; Regional pilots became the red-headed stepchildren of airline pilots. Even ALPA treated them like crap until the RJDC lawsuit and Eagle contract forced ALPA National to review their own conduct.

Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely pro-ALPA since it is the best shot we have for a true National airline pilot union, but ALPA wasn't always as enlightened has become post-9/11. As I see it, airline pilots are in the same pickle as Benjamin Franklin stated about the signatories of the Declaration of Independence:

If we do not hang together, we shall surely all hang seperately