Originally Posted by Systemized

Sounds like a slap in the face.

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Apples and oranges, my hate-filled friend.

In the Comair case, the Delta MEC approached the Comair MEC to try and engage in talks with Comair management to let their Delta furloughee pilots keep their Delta seniority numbers. The Comair MEC could have supported the Delta MEC stance, and tried to work with their management to take on these Delta furloughee pilots. Instead, the Comair MEC held the Delta furloughees as hostage, and demanded one of three things: more CRJ-700/-900s with relaxed scope, an assurance that only ASA and Comair would get future DCI flying, and a seniority integration with Delta that was 'fair.'

A GoJets pilot has not screwed the livelihood of a major airline pilot's furloughees. The TSA vs GoJets is a regional airline squabble, and mainline does NOT care about the regional bickering. You're delusional if you think that the Comair MEC's attempt to hold Delta furloughees hostage is the same thing as GoJets pilots flying around and then one day hoping to go to Delta.

A GoJets pilot will have the same chance as any other regional airline pilot to get hired at Delta, except Comair pilots. Only in the Comair case did the MEC try and screw the Delta pilots. The Delta MEC never forgot that, and many at Delta still remember to this day. Meanwhile, most Delta mainline guys don't even know what or who "GoJets" is.

And, I will say that GoJets stepped up to the plate nicely and took many United furloughees as direct entry Captains or CQFOs. GoJets pilots will have no problem getting hired at United, when that hiring opportunity opens up in the future. The GoJets union/MEC did NOT try and hold a gun to the United furloughees and pull a Comair on them...

So yeah, completely different scenarios, and yes Comair pilots are screwed at Delta while GoJets pilots will not be.

Originally Posted by PCLCREW

United will be hiring off the street in Nov.
Delta isn't the only game in town like some here like to think.
Comair people will be fine and will get better jobs then GoJet.
Horizon is hiring
Republic is hiring
Compass is hiring

Don't sell your soul.

Originally Posted by IBPilot

No flying "belongs" to anyone. Not the regionals, not the majors. nobody bought the right to fly from SUX to MSP. Some EAS and int'l routes excepted. No pilot is history has ever owned a route.

Originally Posted by gloopy

No route authority belongs to any pilot, but flying (including routes) very much can belong to a pilot group WRT that flying or route being done by a particular company.

Seat limits, gross weight limits, revenue and code arrangements, distance and yes, even city pairs, very much DO belong to any pilot group that bargains for them WRT that flying for a particular company, including holding company.

DL (pilots) haven't bargained for SUX-MSP specifically, but they easily could and if they did, no one else could fly that route...for DL. DL does have some specific city pairs covered in their scope as well as distance limitations as a percentage of over all lift in the PWA, and could further bargain complete ownership of city pairs if they so chose. SWA could still fly it, UCAL could still fly it, SkyBus II could still fly it, etc. But no one else could fly it for DL. Just like certain sizes of airplanes.

Pilot groups with scope own the flying covered by that scope WRT their company. You're trying to imply we're all just a bunch of helpless victims with no say in our careers and you are very wrong on that.

Originally Posted by PerpetualFlyer

Lol oh shy, your right, my apologies. Your ego is just too big to see the irony in your posts. Oh, and I'm sure you enjoined wasting the 10 minutes of your life it took to come up this, thinking you were "schooling me".

Originally Posted by ShyGuy

Apples and oranges, my hate-filled friend.

In the Comair case, the Delta MEC approached the Comair MEC to try and engage in talks with Comair management to let their Delta furloughee pilots keep their Delta seniority numbers. The Comair MEC could have supported the Delta MEC stance, and tried to work with their management to take on these Delta furloughee pilots. Instead, the Comair MEC held the Delta furloughees as hostage, and demanded one of three things: more CRJ-700/-900s with relaxed scope, an assurance that only ASA and Comair would get future DCI flying, and a seniority integration with Delta that was 'fair.'

A GoJets pilot has not screwed the livelihood of a major airline pilot's furloughees. The TSA vs GoJets is a regional airline squabble, and mainline does NOT care about the regional bickering. You're delusional if you think that the Comair MEC's attempt to hold Delta furloughees hostage is the same thing as GoJets pilots flying around and then one day hoping to go to Delta.

A GoJets pilot will have the same chance as any other regional airline pilot to get hired at Delta, except Comair pilots. Only in the Comair case did the MEC try and screw the Delta pilots. The Delta MEC never forgot that, and many at Delta still remember to this day. Meanwhile, most Delta mainline guys don't even know what or who "GoJets" is.

And, I will say that GoJets stepped up to the plate nicely and took many United furloughees as direct entry Captains or CQFOs. GoJets pilots will have no problem getting hired at United, when that hiring opportunity opens up in the future. The GoJets union/MEC did NOT try and hold a gun to the United furloughees and pull a Comair on them...

So yeah, completely different scenarios, and yes Comair pilots are screwed at Delta while GoJets pilots will not be.